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[OF1975]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

Many Ta's Ravenheart. Very useful and informative.
Sorry to hear you've got "arthur" too.
Chris.

That makes 3 of us then. I have Ankylosing Spondylitis which is a kind of arthritis.

[Ravenheart]

The site with the IE7 cookie info also has an interesting section on the hosts file including an updated downloadable file.

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

[jellybaby]

Sorry to ask, been searching through this thread but can't find any....has anybody got the links for letter templates to send to local MP's.

Many thanks

[Bobcat]

To Any BT Users on this Forum.
How do you know if you've been blocked on the BT Webwise Discussion Forum? I have had no notice from Mark W but altho' I can sign in to my ordinary BT (phone) account I cannot sign in to the forum. If I sign in to my ordinary account and then go to the forum I still cannot post or look at my settings as I'm asked to sign in again and again am rejected. Not dejected but rather annoyed.
Chris.

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

The site with the IE7 cookie info also has an interesting section on the hosts file including an updated downloadable file.

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

The hosts file there is rather useful That and Adblock Plus sure makes a positive difference to the "internet experience".

As always, do make sure you have backups of any files you might edit.

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Originally Posted by jellybaby

Sorry to ask, been searching through this thread but can't find any....has anybody got the links for letter templates to send to local MP's.

Many thanks

There's an example of a letter I sent to MPs and peers on 4th April at http://thesection.pwp.blueyonder.co....en_letter.html

Things have moved on a bit since then but it should provide a good stating point.

[jellybaby]

Thank you

[Kursk]

First off, let me say that as far as I am concerned this is an adult discussion in which different people have different views. I'm simply expressing mine. I don't expect a reply of anybody who does not wish to offer it and certainly don't want a flame war (especially with those with whom I share a view) but I do feel a forum is a place for discussion. Therefore:

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

That's your opinion and if you're happy to do nothing then that's your call. Just sit back, do nothing and moan when the PIA comes out.

You have no idea what I have done, am doing or intend to do, so please, no rash presumptions on the basis of no information. Nor do I propose to publish anything for reasons that should be obvious.

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

It is not a case of people trying to ignore your view, it is a case of we don't agree with it. You are entitled to have that opinion, but it is not one I agree with, yet you persist in bringing it up time and time again. I find your opinion destructive to the entire process and bound in nothing more than your dislike for 80/20 Thinking. It is not progressive and it doesn't help.

Alexander Hanff

Thank you for your opinion. In this instance, I disagree with yours. My posts are just a viewpoint. Please don't feel obliged to comment unless it interests you.

Originally Posted by OF1975

Kursk, vis-a-vis the jackal, it wasn't his opinions that I disregarded or disliked but the way he put those across in ways that i viewed as deliberately provocative and inflammatory. Sadly I did no better and responded by telling him to shut up.

I am afraid when it comes to Simon Davies, I agree with Alexander. Even if we accept that maybe he could have picked his client more carefully in this instance, you cant just disregard what he has achieved over 20 years of advocacy on privacy and liberties.

As far as I could see, The Jackal expressed a view that may have been helpful. It is a shame that he was rounded upon. As for Simon Davies, I do not know the man. He seems decent enough but I don't know enough to draw the conclusions that you have.

Originally Posted by rossco555

Talk about divide and conquer!! If Phorm are monitoring some of these responses, they'll be grinning from ear to ear.

I don't think so. The twists and turns of every debate are its strength.

Originally Posted by ceedee

I'm sure others will draw their own conclusions.

Hopefully, or I'm wasting my time.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by OF1975

That makes 3 of us then. I have Ankylosing Spondylitis which is a kind of arthritis.

Ouch. Bad luck. My rheumatoid arthritis is one of the main reasons I am now semi-retired ( that and my laziness in my old age has made me an expert delegater )

My father also has Ankylosing spondylitis which is now taking a toll on him. It concerns me not just for him but for myself too given it's genetic disposition. Ah well, ces't la vie. Good luck with yours.

I noticed Alexander's comments a few pages back regarding his new website venture and I'll be contacting him privately for a brief regarding the graphics of the site and hope that I might be of some help as I know my way around a couple of graphics programs.

http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/

also I'll touch briefly on the 'divide' some people are seeing. Firstly I don't see it as a problem if there is a divide in opinion, that's how debate works. However some people have an issue with moving on and that might be good advice here. Also some people just like to argue. I'm one of those sorts but being inflammatory for the sake of proving your opinion is king of the playground serves no purpose.

However it pans out be assured that people from Phorm or their representatives looking in will not care that a few of us are not seeing eye to eye on certain ( and in some cases moot ) points, it really is not that big a deal. It's not the end of the world. just not good etiquette.

regards

Craig

[bigbadcol]

It is looking like the debate is breaking down into 80/20 role, or if Simon is the big bad, or Shining knight.

This is not the issue, and frankly I do not care one bit if simon is unbiased and independent, the pay of Kent, or even his back pocket.

What I do care about is the **** that is Phorm, and at the moment they have managed to divide the discussion away from what really matters.

As for my view on 80/20 - they could be working for us on this, being on the inside gives them a better position then anybody on this message board to see the truth behind the system.

Most internet users will just will see the smoke and mirrors that Kent and the many PR people are spreading around the net.

The best weapon we have is knowledge, and the PIA will provide us all with that weapon.

Phorm are showing some cracks, the PR people are backing off the forums, the tactics are changing and they are becoming desperate repeating the same junk in investment forums.

So lets stop the disagreement , kiss and make up an head off to fight Phorm refreshed in the Knowledge we are right.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by bigbadcol

It is looking like the debate is breaking down into 80/20 role, or if Simon is the big bad, or Shining knight.

This is not the issue, and frankly I do not care one bit if simon is unbiased and independent, the pay of Kent, or even his back pocket.

What I do care about is the **** that is Phorm, and at the moment they have managed to divide the discussion away from what really matters.

As for my view on 80/20 - they could be working for us on this, being on the inside gives them a better position then anybody on this message board to see the truth behind the system.

Most internet users will just will see the smoke and mirrors that Kent and the many PR people are spreading around the net.

The best weapon we have is knowledge, and the PIA will provide us all with that weapon.

Phorm are showing some cracks, the PR people are backing off the forums, the tactics are changing and they are becoming desperate repeating the same junk in investment forums.

So lets stop the disagreement , kiss and make up an head off to fight Phorm refreshed in the Knowledge we are right.

There is no divide as far as I'm concerned. My view is the same as it was 6 weeks ago. However, if contrary opinion is considered divisive and not an opportunity to think laterally, I'll just keep me gob shut

I've got to say that I had trouble getting my head around Simon Davies' "hang on I'll change me hat" posts in this thread. Maybe it was his writing style but to me he was starting to come across as slippery as Kent! With Simon's reputation I'd consider product appraisal requests from the likes of Phorm to be an attempt to discredit me publicly!

Just how it seemed to me

Something not quite right there - so much so that I read back a few pages of posts to see if there was something I'd missed...

Sorry - I'll get me coat

[bigbadcol]

my personal view of Simon Davies is that he has been used and spun.

His past record is amazing, even standing up to the fools at BA and stopping the fingerprinting of passengers in its tracks.

Somebody had to do the PIA. And I think that if Simon Davies had not taken the role then somebody else would have, and that someone would not have had the the same track record that simon has.

The hat business was very confusing I agree.
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Now if I was doing the assessment I would be going along the lines

This product has problems it has xyz wrong with it.

lets try and fix the problems, and make it comply with all laws

the problems are very complex lets change some things and see if we can make this work

unfortunately this product can never be made to comply with the UK / European law.

publish a report stating that the product is illegal.
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Just my take on things. However I somehow doubt that a man of Simons past integrity and fights for privacy has suddenly thrown a lifetime of work and beliefs away, and accepted the Phorm spin.

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by jelv

[big snip]
Individuals running hobbyist, small organisations or club websites I would think would be keen to prevent their websites being exploited in this way.

I run a number of web sites, I am going to move them to a secure Server, so that I can Block BT and if necessary Block all of Virgin Media & Talk Talk customers as well, as Blocking All of BT customers!

I am sorry BT customers, but BT have left me with no alternative.

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by Pasanonic

Ouch. Bad luck. My rheumatoid arthritis is one of the main reasons I am now semi-retired ( that and my laziness in my old age has made me an expert delegater )

My father also has Ankylosing spondylitis which is now taking a toll on him. It concerns me not just for him but for myself too given it's genetic disposition. Ah well, ces't la vie. Good luck with yours.

Sorry to read about your RA and your fathers AS. If either of you is suffering badly you may want to speak to a rheumatologist about anti-tnf treatment. Its difficult to get funding for it in this country but it can make a world of difference. I know as I am one of the lucky few

This does lead on to one issue regarding Phorm too. Phorm claim that will be ignoring sensitive medical information but how are they going to achieve this? Some kind of blacklist of medical conditions or medical websites and forums? Does anyone who went to the meeting know if that issue was dealt with or explained further in the Q & A session?

[Tarquin L-Smythe]

Yep another fully paid up member of the OA and Morphine club,shame about the anagram I to do a lot of medical info exchanging although my working life has finnished I still want my private life kept private.have been told to stay calm after my blow up with the BT mods,so doing a little bit of following and support.
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