Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by OF1975

CJH please don't take my comments to be any kind of criticism or complaint against you regarding footage taken at the meeting. I am grateful that you and alexander were able to attend and that you were there to record as much as you could.

My comments were 100% aimed at whoever is responsible for releasing the proffessionally filmed footage.

None taken OF, none taken. Kind of says something that little me can get his recordings up and in the public domain before the professionals :-) And no, I don't have curly hair or a curly wig! I always wanted to be Bodie...

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by dav

I wonder...is there a link between this Phorm malarky and Berkett's comments on net neutrality?

Is he setting us up for a, "get Phormed and enjoy priority routing for your traffic or opt-out and get to the back of the queue"?

Just idle thinking, that's all...

In a word: YES. The link is that he's become stupid overnight and is trying to lose as many customers as possible.

[dav]

Originally Posted by OF1975

In a word: YES. The link is that he's become stupid overnight and is trying to lose as many customers as possible.

Overnight? You're too kind to the man...surely he's been working on his condition for ages There's a whole foetid history of bad decisions on his watch, isn't there?

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by dav

Overnight? You're too kind to the man...surely he's been working on his condition for ages There's a whole foetid history of bad decisions on his watch, isn't there?

Very true. You raise a good point. Its been something he's been diligently working on and perfecting over a very long period

[Bobcat]

[QUOTE=Pasanonic;34530391]

"I'm really not interested in fighting a legal battle on behalf of BT users who's rights might have been compromised".

I'm a BT BB customer and have posted once or twice on their forum(s) up until now but the two original threads were closed when critisism of BT/Phorm became too intense and the moderator has made life very difficult for posters on the latest open thread. EG: the last post there was made at 4.37pm today. To all intents and purposes there is nowhere there to make ones feelings known or to ask questions. This forum appears to be the only place where the the discussion is open, vibrant and worthwhile so I hope that I and other BT users can join in and feel welcome and some, tho' not I'm afraid non-techie me, might make valueable contributions. After all, it's all one web and this affects us all regardless of ISP.
Many thanks.
Chris.
PS: Forgive my ineptness if I made a mess of the quote usage. I'm a total novice still finding my way about.

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Just a quick update, there is a strong possibility that I will be in the BBC "Click" studio next week regarding Phorm. I just received the invite this afternoon. Another trip to London...
Alexander Hanff

cool, there are a lot of professionals that watch that Click.

so it should be easy to to show sympathy to the Home Office guy getting duped, just like everyone else with this unlawful Phorm CEO trying to infest the UK and the EU with his US profit at any cost even the laws .... if spin works it can also work for both partys i say....

[OF1975]

Hey guys I need some help. I have decided, partly as a bit of light relief, to submit the new term I coined yesterday (terra-phorming) to urban dictionary. My definition is as follows (major thanks to Alexander for this, he WILL recognise it):

A process which aims to turn people into products; a global warehouse selling pieces of everyone and our privacy to the highest bidders.

I need a good example of its use so that I can submit it to the website in the hope they will accept it. The trouble is it needs to be short and snappy and help give the term some useful context. Any ideas?

[Pasanonic]

[QUOTE=Bobcat;34530444]

Originally Posted by Pasanonic

"I'm really not interested in fighting a legal battle on behalf of BT users who's rights might have been compromised".

I'm a BT BB customer and have posted once or twice on their forum(s) up until now but the two original threads were closed when critisism of BT/Phorm became too intense and the moderator has made life very difficult for posters on the latest open thread. EG: the last post there was made at 4.37pm today. To all intents and purposes there is nowhere there to make ones feelings known or to ask questions. This forum appears to be the only place where the the discussion is open, vibrant and worthwhile so I hope that I and other BT users can join in and feel welcome and some, tho' not I'm afraid non-techie me, might make valueable contributions. After all, it's all one web and this affects us all regardless of ISP.
Many thanks.
Chris.
PS: Forgive my ineptness if I made a mess of the quote usage. I'm a total novice still finding my way about.

Oh mate, welcome and please don't misconstrue my comments to mean that i want to dismiss BT users from the discussion or that we should not be concerned about them. More that i feel concentrating the Home Offices attention on the alleged illegal trials performed on BT users will perhaps get more attention from those actual people who's rights have been compromised. Difficult I know as BT are claiming they can not know who was involved ( I'd take that up with them first if I thought I was in the group )

The more people we have involved the better I was just trying to give my opinion that as a group of concerned Virgin customers as we are at the moment we need to concentrate our efforts in making Virgin understand that this is unacceptable. Should there be a legal challenge in the future I suspect that we will then have more to complain about and I'll be of a very differing opinion.


So once again Welcome. I agree with you, this is a great place have a say.

[Ravenheart]

Originally Posted by OF1975

Hey guys I need some help. I have decided, partly as a bit of light relief, to submit the new term I coined yesterday (terra-phorming) to urban dictionary. My definition is as follows (major thanks to Alexander for this, he WILL recognise it):

A process which aims to turn people into products; a global warehouse selling pieces of everyone and our privacy to the highest bidders.

I need a good example of its use so that I can submit it to the website in the hope they will accept it. The trouble is it needs to be short and snappy and help give the term some useful context. Any ideas?

How about..
"Yeah that guy would terra-phorm his granny for a fiver"

"My computer is infested with spyware... I've been terra-phormed!!

Terra Phorming turning your privacy into profit.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by OF1975

Hey guys I need some help. I have decided, partly as a bit of light relief, to submit the new term I coined yesterday (terra-phorming) to urban dictionary. My definition is as follows (major thanks to Alexander for this, he WILL recognise it):

A process which aims to turn people into products; a global warehouse selling pieces of everyone and our privacy to the highest bidders.

I need a good example of its use so that I can submit it to the website in the hope they will accept it. The trouble is it needs to be short and snappy and help give the term some useful context. Any ideas?

"Dude, what's with the mountain of unsolicited junk adverts you have?"
"I can't help it. I've been Terra-Phormed".

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by OF1975

Hey guys I need some help. I have decided, partly as a bit of light relief, to submit the new term I coined yesterday (terra-phorming) to urban dictionary. My definition is as follows (major thanks to Alexander for this, he WILL recognise it):

A process which aims to turn people into products; a global warehouse selling pieces of everyone and our privacy to the highest bidders.

I need a good example of its use so that I can submit it to the website in the hope they will accept it. The trouble is it needs to be short and snappy and help give the term some useful context. Any ideas?

How about "Kent's plan was to terra-phorm the entire planet, one country at a time, starting with the UK." ?

[Frank Rizzo]

Hello everyone. I had tried to stay away from registering here (you guys are doing a great job - I just prefer to read what goes on here) but I would like to reply to pasanonics comment here:

Originally Posted by Pasanonic

I'm really not interested in fighting a legal battle on behalf of BT users who's rights might have been compromised.

I think getting some kind of justice for the 2006/2007 trials is key in getting Webwise stopped in it's tracks for this reason:

If the ICO, Home Office or whatever make the right decision and confirm that those trials did contravene various laws then it is quite likely that BT would be forced to identify and write to everyone who were unwittingly used in those trials.

The current "total" so far is 108,000. If that is true BT may have to write to all those 108,000 customers stating exactly what they did (spied on them). Now how do you think the vast majority of those 108,000 customers are going to feel once they realise how they have been violated?

Not only will many decide to drop BT as an ISP and phone service but an extremely high percentage of them will stick two fingers up to any form of Webwise opt-in system presented to them.

Of course, if BT can not identify those 108,000 users then they may be forced to write to EVERY customer stating that they may have been part of the secret trials. That would be even more damaging for BT and should ultimately see the end of Webwise and various directors.

[wigro]

I think we should keep a very open mind about who is for or against phorm on this forum . Many new posters , not a bad thing i know .

[Ravenheart]

Terra-phorming will commence shortly, resistance is... futi.. what.what do your mean their resistance is working.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

Hello everyone. I had tried to stay away from registering here (you guys are doing a great job - I just prefer to read what goes on here) but I would like to reply to pasanonics comment here:



I think getting some kind of justice for the 2006/2007 trials is key in getting Webwise stopped in it's tracks for this reason:

If the ICO, Home Office or whatever make the right decision and confirm that those trials did contravene various laws then it is quite likely that BT would be forced to identify and write to everyone who were unwittingly used in those trials.

The current "total" so far is 108,000. If that is true BT may have to write to all those 108,000 customers stating exactly what they did (spied on them). Now how do you think the vast majority of those 108,000 customers are going to feel once they realise how they have been violated?

Not only will many decide to drop BT as an ISP and phone service but an extremely high percentage of them will stick two fingers up to any form of Webwise opt-in system presented to them.

Of course, if BT can not identify those 108,000 users then they may be forced to write to EVERY customer stating that they may have been part of the secret trials. That would be even more damaging for BT and should ultimately see the end of Webwise and various directors.

I agree. I just think that the people involved in those trials need to find proof that they were indeed profiled and then make an official complaint to the home office and the police and seek advice about a possible class action suit.

I'm not in a position to do that or to work on behalf of anyone wanting to do that.

As a Virgin customer I can only raise my concerns about the trials with the home office and will get the same standard reply fobbing me off.