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[tdadyslexia]

Hi Alexander

Get your self to bed!

Good Look At The Meeting

[popper]

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

Yeah, you just keep on quaffing that wine and supping on those grapes. The Internet will set you free. No need to make any effort.

The reference to wine and grapes is a historical allusion to the fall of advanced empires in the face of enemy onslaught. Think, Rome.

indeed Simon, but your forgetting this is the net tech age.

OT for this thread but accurate for all the worlds people in both built up area's and remote villages etc:

and you dont want to be just working while you read and respond and it can be fun to learn new things and idea's.

your right though, even it your intent was not this, FYI "The Internet will set you free" and more accurately, 'the wireless Mesh net'.will set you free.

thats what the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) shows with its Laptops used in the remote villages of developing nations and perhaps even in the forbidden places like NC etc if their careful.

they can even make their own wireless Mesh Network http://meraki.com/oursolution/mesh/ and if your without grid power #590

and very little effort if people are ready to put a little cash and learning effort into it, a perfect gift for those that dont currently have this freedom to mass communicate and interact perhaps.

[80/20Thinking]

Originally Posted by popper

indeed Simon, but your forgetting this is the net tech age.

OT for this thread but accurate for all the worlds people in both built up area's and remote villages etc:

and you dont want to be just working while you read and respond and it can be fun to learn new things and idea's.

your right though, even it your intent was not this, FYI "The Internet will set you free" and more accurately, 'the wireless Mesh net'.will set you free.

thats what the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) shows with its Laptops used in the remote villages of developing nations and perhaps even in the forbidden places like NC etc if their careful.

they can even make their own wireless Mesh Network http://meraki.com/oursolution/mesh/ and if your without grid power #590

and very little effort if people are ready to put a little cash and learning effort into it, a perfect gift for those that dont currently have this freedom to mass communicate and interact perhaps.

Oh Popper, I really thought you'd see where I'm coming from. Yes I do know about the wonderful powers of the Internet. I've used it in campaigning many times. But you can't deny ten thousand years of political history in ten years, and that's what seems to be happening. OK, we're all cool and wired, but big deal. There's a million issues you're competing with. Use the net to communicate by all means, but my argument is that you then go that extra mile.

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK folks, I am kidding myself to think I am going to finish this paper tonight.

I am going to finish putting together my questions for tomorrows meeting and then get a little rest before my lecture at 11.

I do apologise for the delay, especially when there is so little left to write, but I am sure you can appreciate that getting prepared for this meeting is more important at this time and I should at least try to get some sleep tonight.

Alexander Hanff

well you have done fine the current one online is only missing the last part unless you found more and thats more than fine for now.

get yourself off the rest and good luck with the lecture , it seems to be the perfect warmup for the evenings deliberations

10 Council of Europe's Convention on Cybercrime

to save people looking for the link in the mass of pages
http://www.paladine.org.uk/phorm_paper.pdf

[Bonglet]

what is your exact point with all these cryptic messages then simon as you dont like to answer any questions on this open forum?

what is going to fall over if that is what your suggesting?

[AlexanderHanff]

I agree, even having used and worked in the internet industry for over 16 years it is still not a substitute for personal interaction and I hope it never will be. It is a tool, an incredibly valuable tool admittedly, which has changed and continues to change our global society in dramatic ways, but it is not a substitute for living.

Life is about communicating, developing and improving the world in which we live and our understanding of it. One of greatest gifts we have a species is how we manage to communicate on so many different levels.

The Internet and related technologies is an amazing feat (which is hopefully why we are all trying to protect our rights to privacy in the first place) and I am one of it's biggest fans, I am passionate about technology and communications, to see technology break down national boundaries that have existed for centuries and allow people to communicate and learn about different cultures. I strongly believe that it can even help to increase tolerance and understanding, build global democracies and improve the world in which we live. But I would not want to give up the real spirit of living, the ability to interact, enrich and be enriched by others.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 05:07 ---------- Previous post was at 05:01 ----------

I would like to proudly announce that I have been invited to take part in the meeting as a guest speaker. I say proud because I get the opportunity to represent all of you and everyone else in the country who has expressed concern and campaigned against this technology.

I would also like to thank Simon for allowing the general public to be represented at the meeting. I think it is a very important step in the right direction and I will do my best to raise the concerns many have expressed over the last 2 months.

Alexander Hanff

[popper]

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

Oh Popper, I really thought you'd see where I'm coming from.

Yes I do know about the wonderful powers of the Internet.
I've used it in campaigning many times.

But you can't deny ten thousand years of political history in ten years, and that's what seems to be happening.

OK, we're all cool and wired, but big deal. There's a million issues you're competing with. Use the net to communicate by all means, but my argument is that you then go that extra mile.

sure im playing with you

indeed , your after the in your face in person approach and thats indeed one of the (some might say Old school)Options.

you are OC dealing with masses of web connected people here from far and wide, and as already pointed out, not everyone has the means to drop everything on short notice and attend.

such is life in the UK, and many of those netted people live in area's and conditions many people will probably never understand or have seen, never mind lived.

some parts of the UK isnt all rosy and affluent, yet they might have the net as their main form of entertainment , are we to ignore them because they are not the clientele the inteception for profit models are after, not all poor (in relative terms OC)people live in other countrys, many are here now, today, and on the net as their one luxury... buy a train ticket to london, or pay this months BB bill if you will...

[3x2]

The reference to wine and grapes is a historical allusion to the fall of advanced empires in the face of enemy onslaught. Think, Rome.

That isn't the way

Yeah, you just keep on quaffing that wine and supping on those grapes. The Internet will set you free. No need to make any effort.

sounded to me at all.

I have tried to remove the more offensive remarks from my earlier post but there is a time limit and it has passed. I was angry and was a bit hasty in my reply. Perhaps an Admin can do it later.

Anyway I'm off home to bed soon so bye all.

[tdadyslexia]

I would like to proudly announce that I have been invited to take part in the meeting as a guest speaker. I say proud because I get the opportunity to represent all of you and everyone else in the country who has expressed concern and campaigned against this technology.

I would also like to thank Simon for allowing the general public to be represented at the meeting. I think it is a very important step in the right direction and I will do my best to raise the concerns many have expressed over the last 2 months.

Alexander Hanff

Hi Alexander

Excellent news, As I said Good Look at the Meeting, and now get your self off to bed.

I am off to bed.

May I warn members that swearing and or insulting any other member on this forum in any posts, will not be tolerated, regardless if it is starred out as the word is still implied.

[popper]

Mick have you got a front page CF story primed for today ?

incase C4 news etc were to come visit Cable forum, after the potential interview with Alexander as the peoples speaker for their story backdrop, just as per the first poll backdrop shots....

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by popper

Mick have you got a front page CF story primed for today ?

incase C4 news etc were to come visit Cable forum, after the potential interview with Alexander as the peoples speaker for their story backdrop, just as per the first poll backdrop shots....

I will be giving a 10 minute "speech" after Simon Davies at the beginning of the meeting and also commentary during the following stages of the meeting.

Unfortunately, it means I won't be able to record the meeting because I will be up there on the stage. Although it has been said the meeting will be webcast and recorded by other parties. Someone please grab the webcast and put it on YouTube.

Alexander Hanff
Yes I know, but I tried sleeping and it isn't working.

[Portly_Giraffe]

Originally Posted by popper

and portly's A4 versions for the flyer quick recap handouts perhaps with the added see Alexanders PDF paper for detail etc.

I can't make it to the meeting, but have uploaded a flyer for someone to print and distribute if they can:
Inphormationdesk Flyer V1.pdf

[CaptJamieHunter]

I see things got a little heated again last night. Almighty Zarquon! Slagging people off here won't achieve anything other than convincing those who haven't decided yet that we're a bunch of mardy, spiteful little techies.

Congratulations on being asked to speak at the meeting Alexander - that's great news for us here and another counter to the Phorm spin and PR machine.

Disappointing news that only 52 people have signed up to attend. Even those who believe it to be nothing more than a PR exercise should make the effort to attend, see for themselves and contribute. There might just be a media presence there asking for your opinion. I hope more people will come along.

Someone mentioned nuclear shelters. There were a few public service information broadcasts and adverts for shelters in the US in the 1950s (http://blog.wfmu.org/ was where I found them). Having watched Peter Watkins' excellent The War Game several times before hearing the adverts, I knew that the shelters really were of little assistance.

[popper]

if anyone here (stuart?)has access to the london campus networks and student housing networks, then it might be a good time to see if any resident campus students are planning on attending or have even read the CF thread...to get informed,were do they hangout anyway?, face book!.

or if they even realise this event is taking place there, and it effects, or will effect them at some point....