All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down - Page 10

11-04-2008, 01:04

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

to be fair we have noway of knowing either way so while ppl shouldnt go bigging themselfs up saying that they are. you cant go shouting the odds at someone unless you have facts & have seen them getting services for free.

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ok so according to you & losttheplot we have two CAMs in our STBs lol mate do a search on yahoo or google it'l tell you all about it on there

no, I'll stick with ltp - as a legitimate subscriber the stealing of services shouldn't concern me, too much, but I do support any effort to ensure it is kept within 'acceptable' limits that don't impact on my overall service

the-cable-guy · 11-04-2008, 01:08

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

For argument's sake if say VM were to read these posts and saw the ones of people openly admitting to stealing cable, if they wanted to would it be possible for them to find out who the "said" person was by using the technology they have available to them?

i would of thought that if they could prove that the IP address was indeed that persons, then they maybe able to, but that might require them going to the persons address. does anyone know if they can do this remotely at all ?

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Originally Posted by homealone

no, I'll stick with ltp

lol i love it how ppl are unable to admit that they are wrong when they have the facts placed in front of them.

11-04-2008, 01:12

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i would of thought that if they could prove that the IP address was indeed that persons, then they maybe able to, but that might require them going to the persons address. does anyone know if they can do this remotely at all ?

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lol i love it how ppl are unable to admit that they are wrong when they have the facts placed in front of them.

'facts' - i'm still with ltp

the-cable-guy · 11-04-2008, 01:14

read the info on page 9 theres the facts.

11-04-2008, 07:52

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

well said its the smart cards not the CAMs.

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mate you clearly dont know how cable works. at the head ends the channels are received (from Sky in VMs case) & then rebroadcast on VMs network. for what you said to work we would need two CAMs both Videoguard & Nagravision & what would be the point in that ? it would make more sense if we only had Videoguard CAMs in that case.

Hello mate!
I'll try to keep it simple for you.
Virgin use some Tandberg TT5020 IRD's which have some Videoguard CAMs and Sky cards. This gives Virgin the un-encrypted transport streams from Sky. Are you with me? The videoguard has been stripped off at this point.
Virgin then remultiplex the services into their own transport streams and finally add in the Nagra encryption.
When NDS updated Sky's encryption, ntl had to put new software on the 5020's, and on each of the CAM's within the 5020's. ntl also had to update the software on all the TT1220's and the 3000 series IRD's in the regional headends around the country which provide the analogue cable feeds of Sky channels.

Any of the Headend Techs working in 2003 should remember the upgrade of the IRD's and ringing Sky to get the new Sky cards enabled!

akki007 · 11-04-2008, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Sirius

For anyone who wants a good giggle at there expense. Just posted in another forum

note the spelling

Surely somebody can see the irony in that post?

Raistlin · 11-04-2008, 08:41

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Originally Posted by akki007

Surely somebody can see the irony in that post?

Yes, and I think it was discussed 7/8 pages back

akki007 · 11-04-2008, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Yes, and I think it was discussed 7/8 pages back

Yeah, I saw that as I read on! Ha ha. Was just going to delete my post. Ho hum!

the-cable-guy · 11-04-2008, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot

Hello mate!
I'll try to keep it simple for you.
Virgin use some Tandberg TT5020 IRD's which have some Videoguard CAMs and Sky cards. This gives Virgin the un-encrypted transport streams from Sky. Are you with me? The videoguard has been stripped off at this point.
Virgin then remultiplex the services into their own transport streams and finally add in the Nagra encryption.
When NDS updated Sky's encryption, ntl had to put new software on the 5020's, and on each of the CAM's within the 5020's. ntl also had to update the software on all the TT1220's and the 3000 series IRD's in the regional headends around the country which provide the analogue cable feeds of Sky channels.

Any of the Headend Techs working in 2003 should remember the upgrade of the IRD's and ringing Sky to get the new Sky cards enabled!

as i said a few pages back VM get the channels from Sky & rebroadcast them on their network.

Stuart · 11-04-2008, 09:25

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Originally Posted by shawty

The part when someone admits to stealing cable or the hackers saying they are hacking it.

And what if they are just boasting? People do that sort of thing.

11-04-2008, 10:05

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

as i said a few pages back VM get the channels from Sky & rebroadcast them on their network.

Yes and to do that they use TT5020's with Videoguard CAMs, which needed an upgrade when NDS changed Sky's encryption.
Like I said, when Virgin do change the encryption they will send new software to the STB's which will enable them to work with the new CA, very likely to be a new iteration of Nagra. Hopefully this time they won't use the same cards available in other parts of the country. From memory I think it was Nagra ROM10 and ROM11 which were first opened up in Spain/South America and people in the UK used the same methods on the same cards in the UK.

nutellajunkie · 11-04-2008, 10:34

\uugh
On the other hand, if VirginMedia weren't so damn expensive.. But then of people didn't steal, they wouldnt have to be so damn expensive. never the less they are still too damn expensive. They must know where the boxes are, unsubscribed boxes, more modems with same clone.. ho hum.. Hello.. go on a wee hunt. And start with them bloody students, they are the worst (i know, coz I used to live with some).
/uugh

sanjamus · 11-04-2008, 11:16

people r going to have to start paying for it expect virgin media phone lines to be jammed

dilli-theclaw · 11-04-2008, 11:18

Jammed - because their dodgy box doesn't work anymore?

supremus · 11-04-2008, 12:20

Just out of curiosity, have any of the people who object to others "stealing" cable ever "stolen" MP3s or downloaded "illegal" movies or TV shows off the internet?