All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by shawty

But surely again, if you can point out someone is using there service illegally, it would not only help them but also potentially help Virgins customers, some of which use this site. I dont see why anyone would sit back and let people openly admit they are stealing Virgins services, especially one a site such as this one and especially as a lot of people moan about these thats teal the services.

And what proof would we be able to offer?

[nfs6600]

...and how do you know they are "just saying they are" ??

[shawty]

Originally Posted by gaffer_gump

And how would you know if they are really stealing it and not just saying they are shawty? you just can't wander around shouting things about people.

Isnt that their problem in the first place for being pretty stupid? Then again, what if they are. Its not like you would be doing anything wrong. You would pass on information to Virgin with evidence of the person stating what they were doing.

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

And what proof would we be able to offer?

The part when someone admits to stealing cable or the hackers saying they are hacking it.

What information do you think should be passed on...?

You have to consider that it's almost likely that a chipped STB user is also using a cloned modem, so an IP address from such a user on here, is not going to be useful information to pass on to Virgin.

Originally Posted by shawty

The part when someone admits to stealing cable or the hackers saying they are hacking it.

Great thats a confession - now what's needed is the identity of the poster, which will be hard to trace, as per what I was saying above.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by nfs6600

...and how do you know they are "just saying they are" ??

Wouldnt that be their own problem for being so stupid? You would just be passing on information to a potentially illegal situation, were if it wasnt true, they would only have themselves to blame. You wouldnt even have to pass on personal information, just pass on the post made and let Virgin decide what they want to do.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nfs6600

...and how do you know they are "just saying they are" ??

We don't know whether they are or not.

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Originally Posted by Mick

What information do you think should be passed on...?

You have to consider that it's almost likely that a chipped STB user is also using a cloned modem, so an IP address from such a user on here, is not going to be useful information to pass on to Virgin.

As such, we could end up passing the IP of an innocent person to VM..

[dwrulez]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Just an update for all those that want to know.


Those that are stealing cable are still having a hard time and some are whinging like mad

Info from reading the OTHER forums

What 60 secs to update a file 2/3 times a day.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by dwrulez

What 60 secs to update a file 2/3 times a day.

Why would you want to do that? I dont have to do that, so what are gaining from it? The threat of facing jail everytime you wake up?

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by indie1982

Eventually they do, however people who use dodgy boxes generally take out the cheapest subscription to Virgin TV they can in order to keep their connection alive. In fact it's even easier now VM are giving away TV with a phone line.

They really aren't helping themselves.

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The CAM is just an interface to the encryption system, it's the smart card which is the key so to speak so that's why the cards got changed.

well said its the smart cards not the CAMs.

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot

LOL, if the encrytion didn't change then whats the point of changing out the smartcards?
Every NDS installation is different - no two sites ever use exactly the same encryption method, thats why smartcards used in America are useless in the UK for example.
When NDS decided to change the encryption new software was put into the STB's, ntl at the time also had to put new software onto all of their digital recievers to cope with the Sky encryption system change. NDS certainly changed the Sky encryption system, and no doubt will do sso again at some point in the future.
Also you said earlier NDS only supply encryption to News Corp companies, again thats wrong have a look here at their customers - http://www.nds.com/customers/customers.html

mate you clearly dont know how cable works. at the head ends the channels are received (from Sky in VMs case) & then rebroadcast on VMs network. for what you said to work we would need two CAMs both Videoguard & Nagravision & what would be the point in that ? it would make more sense if we only had Videoguard CAMs in that case.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Why would you want to do that? I dont have to do that, so what are gaining from it?

What could it be? Free cable, maybe? Personally, I find it hard to see what anyone gains from watching cable at all. Virgin's offerings are really quite poor compared to Sky.

The threat of facing jail everytime you wake up?

Heh, let's not get hysterical, shall we? I don't think anyone has ever faced a jail term for stealing cable. It's a lesser offence than speeding, which I imagine most people around here do, or have done at some point or another, and you're unlikely to get more than a small fine, probably in the region of what 2 or 3 months worth of paying for full cable might have cost. Now, if you go around selling chipped boxes, though, that's a different story.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

We don't know whether they are or not.

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As such, we could end up passing the IP of an innocent person to VM..

also dont forget that some ppl use proxies when they browse the web so their IP address could say that their in America for example.

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Originally Posted by supremus

What could it be? Free cable, maybe? Personally, I find it hard to see what anyone gains from watching cable at all. Virgin's offerings are really quite poor compared to Sky.

exactly you can get more channels for free on Sky then you can on VM XL TV eg True Movies, True Moves 2, Zone Thriller, France 24, Russia Today, BET UK etc

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

well said its the smart cards o the CAMs.

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mate you clearly dont know how cable works. at the head ends the channels are received (from Sky in VMs case) & then rebroadcast on VMs network. for what you said to work we would need two CAMs both Videoguard & Nagravision & what would be the point in that ? it would make more sense if we only had Videoguard CAMs in that case.

in the respect of 'losttheplot' I would be be very surprised if he didn't know how it all worked - In your case I would be much more sceptical, sorry

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by nfs6600

...and how do you know they are "just saying they are" ??

to be fair we have noway of knowing either way so while ppl shouldnt go bigging themselfs up saying that they are. you cant go shouting the odds at someone unless you have facts & have seen them getting services for free.

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Originally Posted by homealone

in the respect of 'losttheplot' I would be be very surprised if he didn't know how it all worked - In your case I would be much more sceptical, sorry

ok so according to you & losttheplot we have two CAMs in our STBs lol mate do a search on yahoo or google it'l tell you all about it on there

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here is an example of how it works (note that although this page refers to american cable the basic principles are the same):


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television_headend

<edit Rob: Cut & Paste text deleted - Do not breach copyright of other sites. Link and paste small sections only, not the entire article>

[frogstamper]

For argument's sake if say VM were to read these posts and saw the ones of people openly admitting to stealing cable, if they wanted to would it be possible for them to find out who the "said" person was by using the technology they have available to them?

[the-cable-guy]

& here is some info about the Samsung SMT-2110C STB (official page):


http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...b2b_prd_id=116



The Standard Digital Cable Set-top Box uses Euro DOCSIS Cable Modem for return path, enabling users to enjoy various Interactive Services.

* MPEG2 MP@ML Decoder
* DOCSIS 1.0/1.1, Euro-DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Modem
* Network I/F (10/100 BaseT Ethernet)
* NTL iEPG Application Software
* SeaChange DTV Navigator 1.2.7(Middleware)
* Nagravision Conditional Access System (H6 Level)
* ISO 7816 CA Smart Card

CPU CONEXANT CX24153, 225MHz
DRAM 32MB
Flash Memory 4MB
Video Codec. MPEG1/2 MP@ML
Audio Codec. MPEG1/2 Layer I/II, AC-3
Copy Protection Macrovision
CAS / DRM Nagravision
OS VxWorks
Middleware / Browser Liberate DTV Navigator
Audio Interface SPDIF Optical
Video Interface TV SCART, VCR SCART
I/O Interface Ethernet, RS 232C
Network Interface Cable Modem v 1.1
Dimension (unit : mm) 310(W) x 225(D) x 53(H)