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Alien · 22-10-2007, 21:10

First of all, my apologies to whoever else replied after my last post, as I can't respond to it because for some reason it's not showing up. I can see Xpod's post, but I know [from seeing it in Mailwasher] that someone else replied. Something about partitions, I think. I can't check MailWasher's recycle bin for the details of the post as it [MailWasher] went a bit funny & decided not to log the last few hours of emails, & I didn't copy the new reply to topic email as I didn't think I had a reason to.

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Originally Posted by xpod

If you dont want to be fiddling around then the safest way(imo) would probably be to just leave whatever space you want to allocate to Ubuntu unallocated and just point the installer to the "largest continuous free space" during partitioning.
Let it do the work

Ok, thanks. I don't have to use all of the free space available in that free space chunk do I? I seem to remember the last 1 I tried [Mandrake I think] let me say how much I wanted to use. The reason I ask is that the largest chunk of continuous free space I've got is 102GB [it's a 500GB drive, well technically 466, but that's dishonest HDD companies for you

].

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Originally Posted by xpod

If your resizing current Windows partitions remember and defrag a good couple of times

Partition Manager handles all that, it's pretty good in general for doing partitiony things.

punky · 22-10-2007, 21:27

A little follow up...

I got fed up with using Gnome and installed KDE. Wasn't totally smooth. The titlebars disappeared so I manually installed emerald and added it (and compiz) to start up. The only unresolved issue is the shutdown buttons are missing, but this is a long running issue with a work around.

Alien · 22-10-2007, 21:44

If you prefer KDE, wouldn't you be better off with Kubuntu?

ronald146m · 22-10-2007, 22:08

Hi Alien
Sorry for the confusion.

It was my post about partitions.
I deleted it when I saw Xpod's post, his is probably the most straightforward way to install Ubuntu.

If you do let Ubuntu have all the remaining space, you can easily shrink it down later and make another partition to use for something else if you like. (using Partition Manager or Ubuntu's 'gParted' utility).

In my deleted post I said that Ubuntu would set up 2 partitions in that space. One for Ubuntu proper and one for Ubuntu swap. The swap partition does what the page file does in Windows. It's often set at 1.5 times RAM, but that value isn't critical.

Cobbydaler · 22-10-2007, 22:10

I always put root & home on separate partitions, then you can reinstall if you bork the OS without losing your personal configuration files & data...

dragon · 22-10-2007, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Gavin

A little follow up...

I got fed up with using Gnome and installed KDE. Wasn't totally smooth. The titlebars disappeared so I manually installed emerald and added it (and compiz) to start up. The only unresolved issue is the start up buttons are missing, but this is a long running issue with a work around.

http://fbdragon.co.uk/external/ss/snapshot7.png

Kde autostart (if it helps) (/home/username/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop)

Quote:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Exec=compiz ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“replace ccp & kde-window-decorator &
Exec=emerald --replace &
GenericName[en_US]=
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-KDE-autostart-after=kdesktop

the ccp bit tells it to use the config from CCSM if i don't put that in it just seems to load default settings.

xpod · 22-10-2007, 22:50

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I always put root & home on separate partitions, then you can reinstall if you bork the OS without losing your personal configuration files & data...

I used to do the same once i figured out enough to be getting a little adventurous with partitioning but i eventually just stopped doing it again.
I always have two drives and always have the latest stable Ubuntu on one drive with some of the bigger slave drive usually given over to the next release, after a few months in.
Anytime i re-install on one drive i always get my main settings & stuff transfered from the other and anything else worth keeping is in the nfs share elsewhere now anyway..

Separate home is definetly a good idea though.

EDIT:if you know your way round the partitioning routine anyway.

Alien · 22-10-2007, 22:59

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Originally Posted by ronald146m

Hi Alien
Sorry for the confusion.

It was my post about partitions.
I deleted it when I saw Xpod's post, his is probably the most straightforward way to install Ubuntu.

Aha! The phantom post deleter revealed!

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Originally Posted by ronald146m

If you do let Ubuntu have all the remaining space, you can easily shrink it down later and make another partition to use for something else if you like. (using Partition Manager or Ubuntu's 'gParted' utility).

I don't want to give it the whole 102GB, I reckon 20 or 30 should be plenty for now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronald146m

In my deleted post I said that Ubuntu would set up 2 partitions in that space. One for Ubuntu proper and one for Ubuntu swap.

You also said something about a 3rd 1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronald146m

The swap partition does what the page file does in Windows. It's often set at 1.5 times RAM, but that value isn't critical.

6GB for swap?

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

I always put root & home on separate partitions, then you can reinstall if you bork the OS without losing your personal configuration files & data...

I do something similar with Windows; I keep My Documents, My Pictures, music, email storage, etc on other partitions than the Windows 1.

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Originally Posted by dragon

http://fbdragon.co.uk/external/ss/snapshot7.png

KDE certainly looks nicer than Gnome. What's the difference between using KDE with Ubuntu, & just using Kubuntu instead? Aside from not having to faff around in Kubuntu to set up KDE I mean.

punky · 22-10-2007, 23:02

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Originally Posted by dragon

http://fbdragon.co.uk/external/ss/snapshot7.png

Kde autostart (if it helps) (/home/username/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop)

the ccp bit tells it to use the config from CCSM if i don't put that in it just seems to load default settings.

Cheers mate. I actually meant to say shutdown buttons

are hidden. Its something to do with xgl and shutdown permissions. There's a work around online somewhere but haven't had time to try it.

ronald146m · 23-10-2007, 00:10

Hi Alien

1) You can give Ubuntu the whole 102GB to start with, then use the partition tools to take 80GB back later, It's up to you though.

2) The third one is the separate 'home' partition that Cobbydaler suggested. That's not really necessary for your first try with Ubuntu. But you decide.

3) No, not 6GB for swap. That's why I said the value isn't critical. In practice you might not do any swapping at all. But if you are given a choice then plump for between 512MB and 1GB. Even if you never use it, you won't miss 1GB from a whopping big hard drive.

Alien · 23-10-2007, 00:30

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Originally Posted by ronald146m

1) You can give Ubuntu the whole 102GB to start with, then use the partition tools to take 80GB back later, It's up to you though.

I'd rather set it to what I want from the start, especially as I don't plan on switching over to Ubuntu/Kubuntu, it's just something to play around with.

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Originally Posted by ronald146m

2) The third one is the separate 'home' partition that Cobbydaler suggested. That's not really necessary for your first try with Ubuntu. But you decide.

Well, it does sound like a good idea, especially as I'm already doing the same thing with Windows. "Start as you mean to go on", etc.

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Originally Posted by ronald146m

3) No, not 6GB for swap. That's why I said the value isn't critical. In practice you might not do any swapping at all. But if you are given a choice then plump for between 512MB and 1GB. Even if you never use it, you won't miss 1GB from a whopping big hard drive.

LOL, true - I have XP set to use 1.5GB, I was just a bit surprised at the thought of having a 6GB swap.

slowcoach · 23-10-2007, 01:00

When you are all done you will want some free games no doubt.

Penguinracer, used to be called TuxRacer, is in the repo's and here is a list of a few more http://www2.linuxjournal.com/node/1000435

If you want a brilliant label program install glabel, it has templates for printing every label known to man.

dragon · 23-10-2007, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Alien

Aha! The phantom post deleter revealed!

I don't want to give it the whole 102GB, I reckon 20 or 30 should be plenty for now.

You also said something about a 3rd 1.

6GB for swap?

I do something similar with Windows; I keep My Documents, My Pictures, music, email storage, etc on other partitions than the Windows 1.

KDE certainly looks nicer than Gnome. What's the difference between using KDE with Ubuntu, & just using Kubuntu instead? Aside from not having to faff around in Kubuntu to set up KDE I mean.

Just a word of warning that's not straight KDE

Its actually Partially KDE with the Edge 1.5 theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show...?content=67383

But also the titlebars.etc are actually managed by Emerald with the theme "simple & nice" rather than the K window decorator.
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/sh...?content=62864

The background was my previous background from my windows install and I can't actually remember where I got it from

Alien · 23-10-2007, 16:38

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Originally Posted by dragon

Just a word of warning that's not straight KDE

So if I check to see if a server's running, it'll respond with "I'm free!"?

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Originally Posted by dragon

Its actually Partially KDE with the Edge 1.5 theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show...?content=67383

Cool, cheers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon

But also the titlebars.etc are actually managed by Emerald with the theme "simple & nice" rather than the K window decorator.
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/sh...?content=62864

So it's like WindowBlinds for Linux? [though hopefully less bloated & buggy]

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Originally Posted by dragon

The background was my previous background from my windows install and I can't actually remember where I got it from

That's ok, I think I can find my own wallpapers.

dragon · 23-10-2007, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Alien

So if I check to see if a server's running, it'll respond with "I'm free!"?

Cool, cheers.

So it's like WindowBlinds for Linux? [though hopefully less bloated & buggy]

That's ok, I think I can find my own wallpapers.

Its actually the window manager for compiz-fusion you can use the kde window decorator with it but I found it a tad unstable.