Madeleine McCann

Interesting (imho) point from the bottom of a BBC news item DNA
"Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.
He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene."

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Interesting (imho) point from the bottom of a BBC news item DNA
"Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.
He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene."

The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The fact is that Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct

Which, as I said earlier, was contradicted in yesterday's Observer - the issue/problem is that none of these statements are official, they are all just leaks, and should, imho, all be treated with a large pinch of salt.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Which, as I said earlier, was contradicted in yesterday's Observer - the issue/problem is that none of these statements are official, they are all just leaks, and should, imho, all be treated with a large pinch of salt.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283359,00.html

It would appear that this statment is from the portugese police, who i thought were not allowed to comment on matters such

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The fact is that Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct

Not sure I follow that, they have a full match to her DNA but this does not say one way or another how the DNA got there. I don't really know but would a secondary transfer not give a full match as well?

Personally I don't know either way if they were involved in any way, most of the stuff in the media seams to be speculation.

On the other hand I do think that they should of been charged with leaving the kids alone. I have two kids, you make sacrifices which includes not going out for a meal and leaving the kids behind. If one of the kids had had an accident in the own home and died because there was nobody around as they were down the pub I'm pretty sure they would of been charged.

JJ

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Not sure I follow that, they have a full match to her DNA but this does not say one way or another how the DNA got there. I don't really know but would a secondary transfer not give a full match as well?

Personally I don't know either way if they were involved in any way, most of the stuff in the media seams to be speculation.

On the other hand I do think that they should of been charged with leaving the kids alone. I have two kids, you make sacrifices which includes not going out for a meal and leaving the kids behind. If one of the kids had had an accident in the own home and died because there was nobody around as they were down the pub I'm pretty sure they would of been charged.

JJ

To my knowledge a secondary transfer would not provide a full match. There however will be other factors in this as well such as blood pattern analysis as is stated in the article on the SKY news website

[smicer07]

Dunno if it's been mentioned, but the full profile was found in the boot of the car... even more dodgy if you ask me.

[Orior]

So assuming that the McCanns did accidently kill Madeline, does anyone seriously believe:
1) They would concoct such a story and orchestrate the whole thing?
2) They would hide/bury the body of their daughter?
3) They are so insensitive that they would not grieve?

Ok, doctors deal with death more often that the rest of us, but their own daughter?

I remain unconvinced that any parent could do such a thing even if it was to protect him/her/siblings.

[smicer07]

Originally Posted by Orior

So assuming that the McCanns did accidently kill Madeline, does anyone seriously believe:
1) They would concoct such a story and orchestrate the whole thing?
2) They would hide/bury the body of their daughter?
3) They are so insensitive that they would not grieve?

Ok, doctors deal with death more often that the rest of us, but their own daughter?

I remain unconvinced that any parent could do such a thing even if it was to protect him/her/siblings.

Sadly there are many nutters in this world who would do exactly that.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

After reading more and more comments, who think that the McCanns, could be lying, as the evidence is going more against them, l am have never lost my rag over items such as this, but l look more and more of the facts, more than anything, DNA is 99.9% accurate, and the foresnic experts have clearly stated FACTS, that people keep fogetting about, in the apartment, they have found blood stains, which the police are going on, these are NO LONGER viable, as they have been contaminated, and CANNOT be used, the DNA on the doll, for example, has been carried by Kate, ever since, BUT this doll was Maddies, blood samples found in the car, could have come from LUGGAGE,. l believe it is all whitewash as the police do not have enough evidence to convict, and in London main evening newspapers, The McCanns have hired TOP London lawyers, with Continental law specialist experience who will rip the evidence the police have to pieces, l have a strong belief, that IF people, read into the infor from the begining of this sad story, there is more to this story than meets the eye, you forget, WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.

[peanut]

Well, just imagine that they did, they couldn't risk getting found out that they did something stupid like sedating them so they can go out for a meal, and then suppose something tragic happened. They couldn't call the emergency services, how would it look if it got found out they sedated their own kids, and one died because of it. They'd lose the other 2 for sure, be struck off, prison etc, their lives would be over. Or.............................

Who knows.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.

Fact you say, can you show us the evidence that it was maddie carried away?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Well, just imagine that they did, they couldn't risk getting found out that they did something stupid like sedating them so they can go out for a meal, and then suppose something tragic happened. They couldn't call the emergency services, how would it look if it got found out they sedated their own kids, and one died because of it. They'd lose the other 2 for sure, be struck off, prison etc, their lives would be over. Or.............................

Who knows.

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Fact you say, can you show us the evidence that it was maddie carried away?

I think the above sceanario is very likely. As for the man carrying the body away, maybe they discovered her dead in a previous check, and that could have been a friend or even Mr Mcgann carrying the body away before they reported her missing.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

After reading more and more comments, who think that the McCanns, could be lying, as the evidence is going more against them, l am have never lost my rag over items such as this, but l look more and more of the facts, more than anything, DNA is 99.9% accurate, and the foresnic experts have clearly stated FACTS, that people keep fogetting about, in the apartment, they have found blood stains, which the police are going on, these are NO LONGER viable, as they have been contaminated, and CANNOT be used, the DNA on the doll, for example, has been carried by Kate, ever since, BUT this doll was Maddies, blood samples found in the car, could have come from LUGGAGE,. l believe it is all whitewash as the police do not have enough evidence to convict, and in London main evening newspapers, The McCanns have hired TOP London lawyers, with Continental law specialist experience who will rip the evidence the police have to pieces, l have a strong belief, that IF people, read into the infor from the begining of this sad story, there is more to this story than meets the eye, you forget, WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.

Ok I am not sure if they are gulity or not. But no need to get so angry

1) The woman did not see 'maddie', she saw a guy carrying a child. Could have been his own, she could be lying.

2) The DNA Evidence they are going on was found in the car and was ' a full match' I am not a DNA expert but it seems likely that this was not transfered or partial DNA. Whats more, we have all the evidence supporting the McCanns because they have been telling everyone. But the police seem to be keeping some stuff under wraps.

3) Considering all of our information from this case is filtered by newspapers, I am not sure how you can claim to be in position of the facts. All information is filtered or made up by the press, spun by the McCanns, or leaked by the police.

What we do know is: She went missing, one guy was considered a suspect but now he has dropped from the scene, the police made the McCanns suspects and seem to be pursuing that angle of inquiry.

We do not know all the reasons behind that, nor what they said to the McCanns or what evidence they have. We do not why the police have focused on Kate McCann more than the husband nor why they think that she was killed by accident.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

That would be the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham if I remember rightly

Dont suppose there is an online link to this article ?

It was in this evenings London Paper or London Lite, and yes its the same people you quote above.

There was a mention that a lot of the people talking about "transfer contamination" did not understand the science of DNA enough to make such comments.

The gist was that they were annnoyed at being painted us not knowing what they were doing in terms of the forensics.

What a lot of people are suggesting is that the police are fitting up the McGanns, when they seem to forget that the DNA results are those produced by 'our' own UK bodies. What reason would they have to fabricate evidence?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

and that could have been a friend or even Mr Mcgann carrying the body away before they reported her missing.

Didn't he disappear for 25 mins on the night?