how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING

[W2S]

If's it only 5% of users that clogg up the network then WHY Cap the whole Network.

am I missing something or should VM be targeting the 5%?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by pedrohizzo

.....at the moment it is extremely easy to break their limit

I posted conclusive indicators on this forum last night (three separate speed tests and my DU Meter (as recommended by VM) readings for yesterday) that prove their assertion that their traffic management being determined by usage limits is a nonsense and nothing more than a crass method of simply reducing bandwidth usage in the hope that customers don't notice.

Please afford me a little time and I'll make available a template letter for customers to issue to VM which will cause a few "headaches".

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I posted conclusive indicators on this forum last night (three separate speed tests and my DU Meter (as recommended by VM) readings for yesterday) that prove their assertion that their traffic management being determined by usage limits is a nonsense and nothing more than a crass method of simply reducing bandwidth usage in the hope that customers don't notice.

Please afford me a little time and I'll make available a template letter for customers to issue to VM which will cause a few "headches".

Least you can organise a drinking session in a brewery

[hammered]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Watchdog is off air till the autumn

[prawncocktail]

the ability to understand the english language seems to be a problem for a few people on here so ill try my best...

the traffic shaping will ONLY affect the top 5% of people, it will not affect everyone. however EVERYBODY is subject to it but you will only be affected by it if you reach that top 5%

is that simple enough for everyone

Originally Posted by skirkby

the ability to understand the english language seems to be a problem for a few people on here so ill try my best...

the traffic shaping will ONLY affect the top 5% of people, it will not affect everyone. however EVERYBODY is subject to it but you will only be affected by it if you reach that top 5%

is that simple enough for everyone

If it only affected 1% would that be ok?
Peoples " unlimited " service is being " restricted "

[prawncocktail]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

If it only affected 1% would that be ok?
Peoples " unlimited " service is being " restricted "

is it, please provide evidence that shows an unlimited download connection is being restricted in the amount you can download

Originally Posted by skirkby

is it, please provide evidence that shows an unlimited download connection is being restricted in the amount you can download

It is being restricted, whether it be in the amount or the time taken is irrelevant, it is restricted.

[pedrohizzo]

Originally Posted by skirkby

is it, please provide evidence that shows an unlimited download connection is being restricted in the amount you can download

as for people saying traffic shaping is NOT a limit, first lets look at the dictionary definitions

un·lim·itÃƒÆ ’‚·ed

not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.

lim·it·ed

confined within limits; restricted or circumscribed: a limited space; limited resources.

i'll use fake numbers because i can't be bothered to work them out but lets say hypothetically that on a 10mb connection you can download

100gb per day

and everyone lives for 100 years

on an unshaped network you get 3,650,000gb

on a shaped network you get shaped for 8 hours per day which = 82.5 gb per day

or 3,011,250 gb

while neither is technically "unlimited" one is getting less than the other while being described as having no limits. ( and i need a hobby ) lol

[prawncocktail]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

It is being restricted, whether it be in the amount or the time taken is irrelevant, it is restricted.

you havent answered my question, i think english may be a problem here as well so lets try french...

veuillez fournir l'évidence où la quantité que vous pouvez télécharger est restreinte

---------- Post added at 12:01 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------

Originally Posted by pedrohizzo

as for people saying traffic shaping is NOT a limit, first lets look at the dictionary definitions

un·lim·itÃƒÆ ’‚·ed

not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.

lim·it·ed

confined within limits; restricted or circumscribed: a limited space; limited resources.

i'll use fake numbers because i can't be bothered to work them out but lets say hypothetically that on a 10mb connection you can download

100gb per day

and everyone lives for 100 years

on an unshaped network you get 3,650,000gb

on a shaped network you get shaped for 8 hours per day which = 82.5 gb per day

or 3,011,250 gb

while neither is technically "unlimited" one is getting less than the other while being described as having no limits. ( and i need a hobby ) lol

i still cannot see any evidence as to wheree you are restricted in how much you can download, the only evidence you have provided is restricting the SPEED at which you can download which is not what I asked for evidence for

[pedrohizzo]

maybe you should read it again?

if the absolute maximum you can download, in your lifetime, at fullspeed 10mb all day everyday is 3,650,000gb (using the numbers i mentioned)

and on your UNLIMITED service you can only get 3,011,250gb

how is it unlimited, it has been limited from the maximum possible to less.

[prawncocktail]

Originally Posted by pedrohizzo

maybe you should read it again?

if the absolute maximum you can download, in your lifetime, at fullspeed 10mb all day everyday is 3,650,000gb (using the numbers i mentioned)

and on your UNLIMITED service you can only get 3,011,250gb

how is it unlimited, it has been limited from the maximum possible to less.

ok lets get 'technical'

the word unlimited should be removed from the dictionary as based on that it is impossible for anything to ever be unlimited as everything has a finite span

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Guys this thread is about starting a campaign to get vm to reconsider shaping. Can we stick to that subject, and discuss general traffic shaping in one of the other shaping threads?

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Guys, seeing as you ignored my first warning, here is a second. The topic of the thread is starting a campaign to get VM to stop using shaping. Stay on that topic, or I may be forced to take further action.

A quick reminder. Any further off topic posts will attract infractions.

[dav]

Originally Posted by pedrohizzo

maybe you should read it again?

if the absolute maximum you can download, in your lifetime, at fullspeed 10mb all day everyday is 3,650,000gb (using the numbers i mentioned)

and on your UNLIMITED service you can only get 3,011,250gb

how is it unlimited, it has been limited from the maximum possible to less.

I'm with you on this one. It certainly makes sense to me.

(Yet) another analogy could be...

Consider the LeMans 24hr race...has any team actually won it by agreeing to only run their cars at half their maximum speed for a third of the race? Of couse not, because this would be an unfair limitation.

and another...

If you work for 9 hours at £10/hr, how would you feel if your employer said that he was only prepared to pay you £5/hr for a third of the time? £75 per day as opposed to £90?

I know these are pretty simplistic, but I'm at work at the moment so most of my brain cells are employed elsewhere

[prawncocktail]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

A quick reminder. Any further off topic posts will attract infractions.

if you're referring to me im simply providing evidence against a campaign so although posts may appear to be off topic they are not

thank you