Creationism vs Evolution, Equal? - Page 24

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Oh come on. If you(as a teacher) tell a kid about the birth of Christ and they will believe it is true. You are an adult and a teacher and they are young and impressionable so why would they doubt it?

You go to a church and a grown up man in full tribal dress stands in front of you telling you the story of Jesus and asking you to sing songs in his honour. Why would any kid think for a moment that what they are being told is untrue?

The fact they get chocolate as well is incidental. The story of Jesus(they are told this is the "true meaning") is already ingrained.

Kids should be given both sides of the story but they aren't. They are given one side and that's all.

The birth is true and even if people believe he wasn't the Son of God, he was still a great man that changed the world, actually the 'chocolate thing' proves they weren't given either side of the 'story', seeing as none of them knew quite why they were receiving it, obviously you could point to the fact that they were being interviewed on the radio, but then that shouldn't detract from the fact that the reason they were being interviewed was due to polls conducted by one of the Sunday rags

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The birth is true and even if people believe he wasn't the Son of God, he was still a great man that changed the world, actually the 'chocolate thing' proves they weren't given either side, seeing as none of them knew quite why they were receiving it, obviously you could point to the fact that they were being interviewed on the radio, although that shouldn't detract from the fact that the reason why they were being interviewed was due to polls conducted by one of the Sunday rags

Lure them in with chocolate then attack them with religious doctrine.

I do believe there was man called Jesus and I do believe he had a great following and probably claimed to be the son of god(and that many of his followers believed him).

I don't believe he was the son of god or that he was resurrected after his death.

Charles Manson had a massive following also.

peanut · 19-04-2007, 20:52

I thought eggs represented the stone of the tomb he was in. If I'm wrong then blame my teachers. I thought that was true right up to this day, and I'm 35.

Mr Angry · 19-04-2007, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Lure them in with chocolate then attack them with religious doctrine.

Gene Wilder was way better than Johnny Depp!!

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

I thought eggs represented the stone of the tomb he was in. If I'm wrong then blame my teachers. I thought that was true right up to this day, and I'm 35.

You are correct. Eggs represent the tomb stone.

It's a way of appealing to kids and making the story fun for them, then trying to bring them into the fold. It's all a bit suspect if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Gene Wilder was way better than Johnny Depp!!

Johnny Depp was a slave driver and a sex pest.

According to one of the Oompa Loompas I spoke to. But he wouldn't go on record for fear of being sacked(he has 6 little Oompas to feed), so I don't have a link to back up my statement, before anybody asks.

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Lure them in with chocolate then attack them with religious doctrine.

I do believe there was man called Jesus and I do believe he had a great following and probably claimed to be the son of god(and that many of his followers believed him).

I don't believe he was the son of god or that he was resurrected after his death.

Charles Manson had a massive following also.

Stunning post, you are comparing a man that said love your neighbour to an individual that said murder your neighbour but still I guess you knew that when you typed it

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Stunning post, you are comparing a man that said love you neighbour to an individual that said murder your neighbour but still I guess you knew that when you typed it

How many people have died in the name of Jesus and God?

Far fewer than what died at the hands of Manson.

And it wasn't a direct comparison as well you know. I was making a point. Having a large number of people believing everything you tell them does not actually make it all true.

Ramrod · 19-04-2007, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Sigh..I'm invisible again...I've already stated that ID is being taught as part of RS and is presented as an introductory topic for year 7 in the first term.

I will go f'kin ape if a teacher tries to teach my kids ID! Religious education I tolerate because that is the main religion of the country we live in and a working knowledge of the bible is a useful thing......but ID isn't religion. It's a certain point of view that arises from religion. As such, imo it should possibly be relegated to an after school club for anyone interested in it.

**Damien** · 19-04-2007, 21:02

Its ok in RE as long as its presented as what people think rather than truth

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

How many people have died in the name of Jesus and God?

Far fewer than what died at the hands of Manson.

And it wasn't a direct comparison as well you know. I was making a point.

Did he teach anything other than peace, I don't think he could have made the point clearer, the fact that people have used his name as a perverted excuse for war, is hardly his fault, they would have just found another excuse and what of the people that actually died in his name, do you really think that they were all brain washed? More likely they were men of real faith who knew that even if they recanted their faith, they would still most likely have been put to death anyway

**Maggy** · 20-04-2007, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Damien

Its ok in RE as long as its presented as what people think rather than truth

Which is how it is presented.RS isn't just about Christianity either...it's concerned with showing and explaining all religions and as such is about 'faith' rather than indoctrination.

Remember folks you do have the right to remove your son or daughter from RS if you choose to.I've only come across two cases where this happened in over 30 years.In one of these the child had removed herself from the lesson with the support of her family.Very enterprising of her as she gained two free periods.

skyblueheroes · 20-04-2007, 07:27

Not very relevant but I found it funny and might lighten up this thread.......

http://www.jesusoftheweek.com/jesii/436/index.html

Stuart · 20-04-2007, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Show me an illustrated bible where Adam and Eve are not shown as Caucasian.

Pretty sure that the original bibles weren't illustrated in colour. Therefore any illustrations they had would have probably been line drawings.

Illustrated bibles contain someone's interpretation of what the bible says. Therefore, they may have changed Adam and Eve to white. In fact, IIRC, the bible doesn't directly describe their appearance at all.

Action Jackson · 20-04-2007, 09:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Did he teach anything other than peace, I don't think he could have made the point clearer, the fact that people have used his name as a perverted excuse for war, is hardly his fault, they would have just found another excuse and what of the people that actually died in his name, do you really think that they were all brain washed? More likely they were men of real faith who knew that even if they recanted their faith, they would still most likely have been put to death anyway

I'm sure Jesus was a top bloke full of good intentions, albeit a bit delusional.

I think we have strayed somewhat from our initial debate(religion being taught as fact in primary schools).

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Pretty sure that the original bibles weren't illustrated in colour. Therefore any illustrations they had would have probably been line drawings.

Illustrated bibles contain someone's interpretation of what the bible says. Therefore, they may have changed Adam and Eve to white. In fact, IIRC, the bible doesn't directly describe their appearance at all.

I have yet to see an illustrated bible(typically modern day children's bibles) where Adam and Eve are anything other than white.

If you type Adam and Eve into google images then this is what you get:

Adam and Eve

Overwhelmingly white I would say.

**Damien** · 20-04-2007, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Which is how it is presented.RS isn't just about Christianity either...it's concerned with showing and explaining all religions and as such is about 'faith' rather than indoctrination.

Remember folks you do have the right to remove your son or daughter from RS if you choose to.I've only come across two cases where this happened in over 30 years.In one of these the child had removed herself from the lesson with the support of her family.Very enterprising of her as she gained two free periods.

I liked R.E, I find religion very intresting. Especially the History of it which we were not taught much. I dont see why you are allowed to remove your children from it since its never about converting people.