Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Read the thread. I believe in some evolution in animals, not in humans.

Yes but which humans Russ?
You never did get around to answering post 182.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Read the thread. I believe in some evolution in animals, not in humans.

So you believe we look exactly the same now as what we did when the first humans roamed the Earth. Is that correct?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yes but which humans Russ?
You never did get around to answering post 182.

Sorry, had other things on my mind. I'm talking about homosapians. I believe the others are close relatives to humans.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

So you believe we look exactly the same now as what we did when the first humans roamed the Earth. Is that correct?

I don't believe there is any real physical difference between us and Adam and Eve.

And let's hope your response stays on topic...

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Sorry, had other things on my mind. I'm talking about homosapians. I believe the others are close relatives to humans.

And your explaination for the diversity between caucasoids, negroids and mongoloids who all stemmed from one family?

As for the close relatives, are they human or animals?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And your explaination for the diversity between caucasoids, negroids and mongoloids who all stemmed from one family?

Not wanting this to sound PC but when it comes to God's creations, I don't consider physicalities such as colour be 'differences'. To be honest I don't have an issue with the notion that Adam and Eve were dark skinned. It goes back to what I said earlier about being humanoid. That's the design I believe God made for us - humans in humanoid form. An odd thing to say but that's for the sake of the circling sharks who will ask if I'm including apes as 'humanoids'.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

As for the close relatives, are they human or animals?

No idea, never thought it important.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And your explaination for the diversity between caucasoids, negroids and mongoloids who all stemmed from one family?

As for the close relatives, are they human or animals?

Negroids alone would challenge the one race theory as the have tallest and shortest peoples amongst their numbers or isn't that relevant?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Not wanting this to sound PC but when it comes to God's creations, I don't consider physicalities such as colour be 'differences'. To be honest I don't have an issue with the notion that Adam and Eve were dark skinned. It goes back to what I said earlier about being humanoid. That's the design I believe God made for us - humans in humanoid form. An odd thing to say but that's for the sake of the circling sharks who will ask if I'm including apes as 'humanoids'.

Homo neandethals then? If they are close relatives, when did they offshoot from Noah's familiy and did they evolve?

Originally Posted by Russ

Not wanting this to sound PC but when it comes to God's creations, I don't consider physicalities such as colour be 'differences'. To be honest I don't have an issue with the notion that Adam and Eve were dark skinned. It goes back to what I said earlier about being humanoid. That's the design I believe God made for us - humans in humanoid form. An odd thing to say but that's for the sake of the circling sharks who will ask if I'm including apes as 'humanoids'.

Well as shown above there are difference in how the skin reacts with sunlight.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Homo neandethals then? If they are close relatives, when did they offshoot from Noah's familiy and did they evolve?

No idea, I wasn't there.

Originally Posted by Damien

Well as shown above there are difference in how the skin reacts with sunlight.

But still human.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

No idea, I wasn't there.

You weren't there to see the garden of eden, or adam and eve either, but do you dismiss them too?

Do you believe neandethals evolved?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You weren't there to see the garden of eden, or adam and eve either, but do you dismiss them too?

No, they're written about in Genesis.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do you believe neandethals evolved?

Never spent much time worry about it. Probably not though.

[peanut]

Does it feel pointless yet?

All the questions where I think "Good question, explain that?" and "That contradicts everything so far" Not to the point in scoring points against but as in the very basic of discussion on both parts. It's the fact that blatant disregard will beg for more questions and so forth.

So far all the answers has ended up "no idea, still believe. Don't care wasn't there. And? So?" to a point avoidance is so blatant it's a little bit erm 'deflating'.

So it really is pointless, you can have 100% proof and throw it on the table and it will be dismissed. This isn't a conversion of any kind, but it seems like those that believe don't like to discuss it, it is therefore end of.

If any one asks me a question where I'd hope to give an honest answer to any question. But I can't see that happening here. Shame.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I don't believe there is any real physical difference between us and Adam and Eve.

And let's hope your response stays on topic...

Adam and Eve?


Come on now, for goodness sake, surely no one actually believes that to be literal? There are many Christians(ones that are clearly capable of reason) I have spoken to have even admitted that they believe it was metaphorical.


How can every race and colour in the world have evolved from the same 2 people (bearing in mind the bible depicts Adam and Eve as Caucasian). Please explain that to me. How is that possible?


Now you can't say evolution to explain any of the differences because you have already said you don't believe in that. Besides, if the Earth is only 15,000 years old as believed by the Christians then this would not be enough time to evolve so drastically anyway.


How do you explain the vast differences between Neanderthal man and ourselves if you don't believe in evolution? The difference in skull size and shape? The obvious difference in general bone structure, appearance and posture?


What about Cro-magnon man and his differences from both Neanderthals and ourselves?


What about Aborigines, Native Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Eskimos, Africans, Egyptians, Arabs? Why are they all so different in terms of size and appearance if evolution doesn't exist and we all evolved from the same 2 white people?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Adam and Eve?


Come on now, for goodness sake, surely no one actually believes that to be literal? There are many Christians(ones that are clearly capable of reason) I have spoken to have even admitted that they believe it was metaphorical.

You really need to take more of an interest in Christianity than just skimming the surface in order to ridicule. I bet you didn't know that not all of us believe exactly the same things.

Here's something I bet you didn't know.

"Faith is personal".

There are things Chris T and I disagree on when it comes to our faith. That doesn't make his or my beliefs any less valid. Why? Because it's personal.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

How can every race and colour in the world have evolved from the same 2 people (bearing in mind the bible depicts Adam and Eve as Caucasian). Please explain that to me. How is that possible?

Where does it depict that? Is that another armchair expert's view?

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Now you can't say evolution to explain any of the differences because you have already said you don't believe in that. Besides, if the Earth is only 15,000 years old as believed by the Christians then this would not be enough time to evolve so drastically anyway.

Again, skimming the surface in order to ridicule isn't doing your case any good. You want to point out where I said I don't believe in evolution?

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

How do you explain the vast differences between Neanderthal man and ourselves if you don't believe in evolution? The difference in skull size and shape? The obvious difference in general bone structure, appearance and posture?

I could give my answer to that only you wouldn't accept it.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

What about Cro-magnon man and his differences from both Neanderthals and ourselves?

As above.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

What about Aborigines, Native Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Eskimos, Africans, Egyptians, Arabs? Why are they all so different in terms of size and appearance if evolution doesn't exist and we all evolved from the same 2 white people?

Ditto

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Anyway, wasn't everyone in the world wiped out by the great flood and all ancestors of Adam and Eve were killed, save for Noah and his family? Aren't we in fact all descendants of Noah and the massive inbreeding project that went on in his Tardis(it had to be, no other explanation).

Noah transcended time and space? Wow I must have missed The Bible 2007. Anyway if you have any genuine questions, I suggest you look on www.godandscience.org - the only problem there is you've got no-one to try and ridicule.

Welcome back to the forum btw.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Does it feel pointless yet?

All the questions where I think "Good question, explain that?" and "That contradicts everything so far" Not to the point in scoring points against but as in the very basic of discussion on both parts. It's the fact that blatant disregard will beg for more questions and so forth.

So far all the answers has ended up "no idea, still believe. Don't care wasn't there. And? So?" to a point avoidance is so blatant it's a little bit erm 'deflating'.

So it really is pointless, you can have 100% proof and throw it on the table and it will be dismissed. This isn't a conversion of any kind, but it seems like those that believe don't like to discuss it, it is therefore end of.

If any one asks me a question where I'd hope to give an honest answer to any question. But I can't see that happening here. Shame.

You argue with reason and logic and they give you clichés and references to the great storybook. They refuse to acknowledge the contradictions in the bible, the gaping holes and even the parts that show God to be an evil vindictive tyrant.


The selective memory pops out and they tell you it's all about faith and that you don't understand. But I do understand. I understand the need to believe that there is something else out there. I understand the childhood brainwashing or religion preying on the vulnerable(why do so many people find god in prison or when they are contemplating suicide?). I understand the need to find reason in a world with so many unknowns and the fact that faith is the only reason you get up in the morning and don't fear your death. God is hope for the hopeless, and sadly they are in vast numbers. But they are dwindling and in a few generations they will probably be on the brink of extinction(much like the dinosaurs that they cannot seem to explain convincingly)


I have no problems with most religious people who, for the most part, are harmless and simply spaced-out gullable wackos who enjoy preying or singing naff songs to a non-existent being they have never met, seen or spoken to. If it makes them feel better, then what's the harm?. But then you get the evil ones. The real nutjobs who take it too far and want to burn homosexuals and unmarried pregnant women. The Leviticus types I call them. That's when religion is shown up as the evil monster most of us know it is.


But you are right, it's pretty pointless.

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Sigh, so many questions and you prove time and time again that you simply aren't equipped to provide convincing answers. You deny and deflect and dance round every single one of them.


Kind of sums up the Christian church. Half baked truths and no answers.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Where does it depict that? Is that another armchair expert's view?

Show me an illustrated bible where Adam and Eve are not shown as Caucasian.