Creationism vs Evolution, Equal? - Page 23

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

How can every race and colour in the world have evolved from the same 2 people (bearing in mind the bible depicts Adam and Eve as Caucasian). Please explain that to me. How is that possible?

I seem to remember a DNA expert saying our ancestry can be traced back to a remarkably few individuals, perhaps as few as 12 people

Ramrod · 19-04-2007, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B

"Faith is personal".

There are things Chris T and I disagree on when it comes to our faith. That doesn't make his or my beliefs any less valid. Why? Because it's personal.

That seems a strange thing to say......
Faith is of course personal, but that doesn't necessarily make the thing you have faith in correct. With two differing viewpoints' one, or both of you really has to be wrong......and to keep up the belief that each of you has an equally valid point of view is bizarre.

If you and Chris were colourblind and really believed that the sky is green and purple respectively (because you each felt the bible told you so), your faith in what you think the colour of the sky is would be misplaced.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I seem to remember a DNA expert saying our ancestry can be traced back to a remarkably few individuals, perhaps as few as 12 people

That doesn't mean that there were only twelve people to begin with. There could have been twelve thousand at that time, it's just that all of us are decended from twelve of those; the rest of the genetic lines didn't make it to the present day......

Russ · 19-04-2007, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Kind of sums up the Christian church. Half baked truths and no answers.

Right, ok, point taken. So you can carry on with your views and I can carry on with mine yeah? Seeing as my life and lifestyle in no way encroaches on your own I can carry on without any digs?

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Again, skimming the surface in order to ridicule isn't doing your case any good. You want to point out where I said I don't believe in evolution?

Erm, you pointed it out here:

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Read the thread. I believe in some evolution in animals, not in humans.

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Right, ok, point taken. So you can carry on with your views and I can carry on with mine yeah? Seeing as my life and lifestyle in no way encroaches on your own I can carry on without any digs?

But it's ok for you to answer every one of my valid questions with little patronising retorts?

Why not actually just answer the questions that are put to you?

Ramrod · 19-04-2007, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Seeing as my life and lifestyle in no way encroaches on your own

Thats the problem, christians are trying to encroach on our lifestyles by proposing to fill our kids heads with ID nonsense.

Russ · 19-04-2007, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Why not actually just answer the questions that are put to you?

Because I can't.

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Thats the problem, christians are trying to encroach on our lifestyles by proposing to fill our kids heads with ID nonsense.

But this has gone past the ID question. This is just the regular Christianity free-for-all.

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats the problem, christians are trying to encroach on our lifestyles by proposing to fill our kids heads with ID nonsense.

Except they aren't, seeing as the ID nonsense is an issue for American schools to deal with

**Maggy** · 19-04-2007, 20:18

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Except they aren't, seeing as the ID nonsense is an issue for American schools to deal with

Sigh..I'm invisible again...I've already stated that ID is being taught as part of RS and is presented as an introductory topic for year 7 in the first term.

Tezcatlipoca · 19-04-2007, 20:22

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Sigh..I'm invisible again...I've already stated that ID is being taught as part of RS and is presented as an introductory topic for year 7 in the first term.

Aren't ID/Creationism also taught in certain "City Academies" here too... the Peter Vardy ones?

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Sigh..I'm invisible again...I've already stated that ID is being taught as part of RS and is presented as an introductory topic for year 7 in the first term.

That's a science lesson now is it

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:25

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Except they aren't, seeing as the ID nonsense is an issue for American schools to deal with

So kids aren't told the story of God and Jesus at schools in the UK?

They aren't involved in nativity plays depicting the birth of Jesus?

They don't get forced to attend Church services at Easter and Christmas to celebrate the birth and re-birth of Jesus?

Sorry, but can't remember the last time I heard of a primary school putting on a performance of 'monkey to man'. Or actually taught evolution in any way for that matter.

Mr Angry · 19-04-2007, 20:26

I've found this thread to be really informative.

The stuff about the eye is fascinating. I'm going with the evolution theory on that one - because it goes some considerable way to explaining how Mrs Angry now has them in the back of her head but they are nowhere to be seen in photos of her when she was younger.

In the greater scheme of things I don't really care how we all came about, but I'd like to tip my hat in appreciation to whoever / whatever came up with the idea of "lady bumps".

Fantastic!

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I've found this thread to be really informative.

The stuff about the eye is fascinating. I'm going with the evolution theory on that one - because it goes some considerable way to explaining how Mrs Angry now has them in the back of her head but they are nowhere to be seen in photos of her when she was younger.

In the greater scheme of things I don't really care how we all came about, but I'd like to tip my hat in appreciation to whoever / whatever came up with the idea of "lady bumps".

Fantastic!

Giving Japanese men the smallest penises in the world was a bit cruel though.

Cue, "do you have evidence to back that up" reply.

TheDaddy · 19-04-2007, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

So kids aren't told the story of God and Jesus at schools in the UK?

They aren't involved in nativity plays depicting the birth of Jesus?

They don't get forced to attend Church services at Easter and Christmas to celebrate the birth and re-birth of Jesus?

Sorry, but can't remember the last time I heard of a primary school putting on a performance of 'monkey to man'. Or actually taught evolution in any way for that matter.

Nativity plays are quite different to teaching ID in science lessons, as for Easter is seems that most of our youth seem to think it's about chocolate rather than a religious event according to polls I saw a couple of weeks back

Action Jackson · 19-04-2007, 20:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Nativity plays are quite different to teaching ID in science lessons, as for Easter is seems that most of our youth seem to think it's about chocolate rather than a religious event according to a couple of polls I saw a couple of weeks back

Oh come on. If you(as a teacher) tell a kid about the birth of Christ and they will believe it is true. You are an adult and a teacher and they are young and impressionable so why would they doubt it?

You go to a church and a grown up man in full tribal dress stands in front of you telling you the story of Jesus and asking you to sing songs in his honour. Why would any kid think for a moment that what they are being told is untrue?

The fact they get chocolate as well is incidental. The story of Jesus(they are told this is the "true meaning") is already ingrained.

Kids should be given both sides of the story and left to decide but they aren't. They are given one side and that's all. Only when they get older and more informed can they break free. But for some it's too late, normally because their parents have assisted in the brainwashing and they simply become too far gone.