Bnp

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Let me play devils advocate here. Lets say that you were born in China and had always lived there and so had your parents. You could easily understand why the people around you still wouldn't see you as Chinese, even though you spoke the language and held a passport. They might accept you but they would never see you as fully Chinese.

Perhaps not.

But if they did not see you as "fully" Chinese, that would still be no excuse for them to discriminate against you on the basis of e.g. being of white British origin living in China, & would be no justification for "resettling" you.

Also, just how many white anglo saxons are their living in China? If I/you were only part of a small number, then it is easy to see why it would be hard for "real" Chinese people to see you as "fully" Chinese

Britain has a large non-WASP population. And "acceptance" surely increases over time. And I would hope that, by now, most people would see black-Britons, & Asian-Britons, & Jewish-Britons, & so on as just....Britons.

The BNP......It is more than them not "accepting" non-white Britons. It is more than them seeing non-white Britons as "not British". Non-white Britons are classed as foreigners & immigrants by the BNP. They want an all-white Britain. They want all non-white people (not "just" illegal immigrants & asylum seekers - *all* non-white people) to be sent back to "their country of ethnic origin". They want a "pure" white Britain. They are ****s.

What about me? I am half-french? They will make things difficult.

God it sounds like NAZI germany how can anyone vote for them

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Damien

What about me? I am half-french? They will make things difficult.

I don't know what they think about the French [although the head of the French National Front, Jean-Marie Le Pen, recently came over to meet with Griffin, so if they hate the French, I guess they still don't mind their French equivalents]

God it sounds like NAZI germany how can anyone vote for them

Yeah

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Perhaps not.

But if they did not see you as "fully" Chinese, that would still be no excuse for them to discriminate against you on the basis of e.g. being of white British origin living in China, & would be no justification for "resettling" you.

Absolutely.....but they still would

Also, just how many white anglo saxons are their living in China? If I/you were only part of a small number, then it is easy to see why it would be hard for "real" Chinese people to see you as "fully" Chinese

Bingo! Numbers have nothing to do with this.
Yet, you can see why:
-to use your words.... "it would be hard for "real" Chinese people to see you as "fully" Chinese"
It's not numbers, it's faces that count.
Lets face it, if you or I lived in China, we would not be Chinese. We might speak the language, hold a passport and marry a Chinese woman but we would still not be fully Chinese

Britain has a large non-WASP population. And "acceptance" surely increases over time. And I would hope that, by now, most people would see black-Britons, & Asian-Britons, & Jewish-Britons, & so on as just....Britons.

But "real" (genetically) English are Anglo-Saxon, not black or yellow. Now you can see where they are coming from.....

The BNP......It is more than them not "accepting" non-white Britons. It is more than them seeing non-white Britons as "not British". Non-white Britons are classed as foreigners & immigrants by the BNP. They want an all-white Britain. They want all non-white people (not "just" illegal immigrants & asylum seekers - *all* non-white people) to be sent back to "their country of ethnic origin". They want a "pure" white Britain. They are ****s.

It's a genetic thing.....

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Absolutely.....but they still would

Bingo! Numbers have nothing to do with this.

Why not? I would have thought larger numbers would help acceptance, as the "non-whatever-country" people would be seen more, be known more, be understood more.

Yet, you can see why:
-to use your words.... "it would be hard for "real" Chinese people to see you as "fully" Chinese"
It's not numbers, it's faces that count.

Lets face it, if you or I lived in China, we would not be Chinese. We might speak the language, hold a passport and marry a Chinese woman but we would still not be fully Chinese

Yes, I see your point. Obviously we would not have a "Chinese" face, & so would not be seen as Chinese.

But...if the "Chinese National Party" then came along & said that you were inferior, that you were not as good as a "real" Chinese, said you were a drain on the country & scrounged things needed for "real" Chinese, said it wanted you & all your kind to be "resettled" back to some white country (which you have never been to & the only link you have to it is that your grandparents or whatever were born there), would you not be annoyed? Would you not find that wrong?

But "real" (genetically) English are Anglo-Saxon, not black or yellow. Now you can see where they are coming from.....

It's a genetic thing.....

No, I can't see where they are coming from (other than the sewer).

So what if it is a "genetic thing"? So what if to be a "real" English person you have to actually be of Anglo-Saxon origin?

WTF does any of that have to do with it?

Discriminating on the basis of race / ethnic origin is wrong.

Wanting a "pure-white" Great Britain is wrong.

Wanting to "send home" *all* non-white British residents & British citizens is wrong. So what if they are not "English" (as in genetic ethnic origin) they are still British as in nationality, citizenship, etc. They live here. They work here. There were born here. Their parents & their parents parents (& so on) may have been born & raised here. They have a right to live in this country, just as much as any white person.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Damien

What about me? I am half-french? They will make things difficult.

Nah, they'd just slice out the nasty french parts of you and re-patriate those parts.

What gets me is people who say asians should go back where they came from, when most actually came from Kenya and were kicked out with no where else to go.

I despise racism, especially as someone who has been at the brunt of racist abuse because I had a suntan!

[Ramrod]

In a free. open society, numbers should have nothing to do with it but yey you are saying that you can understand why a minority would not be accepted but a larger number should be accepted. Surely thats not fair on the indigenous population. Why should it be deemed 'acceptable' (by you) that they don't have to accept a smalll number but do accept a larger number?

But...if the "Chinese National Party" then came along & said that you were inferior, that you were not as good as a "real" Chinese, said you were a drain on the country & scrounged things needed for "real" Chinese, said it wanted you & all your kind to be "resettled" back to some white country (which you have never been to & the only link you have to it is that your grandparents or whatever were born there), would you not be annoyed? Would you not find that wrong?

Absolutely!

No, I can't see where they are coming from (other than the sewer).

So what if it is a "genetic thing"? So what if to be a "real" English person you have to actually be of Anglo-Saxon origin?

WTF does any of that have to do with it?

Discriminating on the basis of race / ethnic origin is wrong.

Wanting a "pure-white" Great Britain is wrong.

Wanting to "send home" *all* non-white British residents & British citizens is wrong. So what if they are not "English" (as in genetic ethnic origin) they are still British as in nationality, citizenship, etc. They live here. They work here. There were born here. Their parents & their parents parents (& so on) may have been born & raised here. They have a right to live in this country, just as much as any white person.

Woah there! Seeing where they are coming from isn't the same as agreeing with it!
Discrimination is wrong but what is wrong with wanting to preserve a culture/way of life?
afaik....Nobody here accuses Bhutan of racism but they even limit the amount of tourists they allow in.....and the west applauds their efforts to preserve their culture and cultural identity.....yet if the same thing was tried here we would be racists. Go figure.....

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It's a genetic thing.....

It is not genetic thing, all humans have the same genetic structure. I was trying to find the HUGO listing but couldn't, so here's the human genome translated into C instead

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/dna.html

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

It is not genetic thing, all humans have the same genetic structure.

Sorry, my bad.....it's how the genetics are expressed that they have a problem with....ie. colour

I was trying to find the HUGO listing but couldn't, so here's the human genome translated into C instead

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/dna.html

Very good!

[Bifta]

It's probably been mentioned already, but presumably everyone fawning over the BNP realise that it was formed by the chairman of them wonderful neo facists, the National Front. Let's also not forget that Combat 18 (http://www.skrewdriver.org.uk/index2.html) had plenty of followers drawn from the BNP, people that are perfectly willing to hide UDA terrorists (there's nothing quite like someone crying about islamic terrorists while they're supporting others). Also, someone please explain the NF's (i.e. now current BNP members) support for the Ayatollah Khomeini .. before you attempt to though, bear in mind that the BNP believe Islam is inherently evil (and that Nick Griffin has been convicted of inciting racial hatred, but no, according to their web site, they're not racist in the slightest)

And finally, there's only one other National Socialist party that sticks in my mind, the one that gassed 6 million jews (that little event Griffin denied ever happened)

The Conservative party want nothing to do with them:

http://www.conservatives.com/news/ar...m?obj_id=15866

And here's a few bits taken from the BBC (just to show what a complete fruitloop Griffin is)

In 1997, Nick Griffin published a booklet entitled "Who are the Mind Benders?". It claimed to prove that Jewish people controlled the British media and thereby were able to brainwash white British people into accepting multiculturalism

In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

Griffin wrote an article for Spearhead in June 1999 after the Admiral Duncan pub bombing. He said, "The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive."

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

You asked Damien to show the BNP & C18 had links, & he did:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...6&postcount=60

Well yes he has now, but for about 20 minutes, his pre-edited post made no sense whatsoever. He has of course since edited his post.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Woah there! Seeing where they are coming from isn't the same as agreeing with it!

Sorry, Ramrod! I wasn't meaning for that to seem like having a go at you

It's just that this subject can get me quite heated & wound up, as I have very strong views re the BNP

Discrimination is wrong but what is wrong with wanting to preserve a culture/way of life?

Hmm. I can see that.

And I'm not too sure of the answer.

If preserving a culture/way-of-life involves discrimination (i.e. shipping all non-white people "back home"), then that is obviously wrong.

I guess it can depend on what exactly is meant by culture/way-of-life, or what kind of culture/way-of-life is being preserved.

Some may need preserving, while others are best got rid of (e.g. slavery in the US...a way-of-life in the South, but something that was justifiably not preserved).

Kind of brings up another subject....what exactly is "British Culture"?

The BNP would say that the "British Culture" is that solely of white Britons & their way-of-life, & that for it to be preserved, Britain should only have white residents.

But does the British Culture have to be defined by skin colour? I'm sure that you & most other people would agree when I say no.

Has the "British Culture" been diminished by recent immigration, or has it been added to?

Are we a multicultural society?

And so on.

But then it gets off topic.

afaik....Nobody here accuses Bhutan of racism but they even limit the amount of tourists they allow in.....and the west applauds their efforts to preserve their culture and cultural identity.....yet if the same thing was tried here we would be racists. Go figure.....

All I know of Bhutan is that it's in the Himalayas

Originally Posted by Bifta

And finally, there's only one other National Socialist party that sticks in my mind, the one that gassed 6 million jews (that little event Griffin denied ever happened)

The Conservative party want nothing to do with them:

http://www.conservatives.com/news/ar...m?obj_id=15866

And here's a few bits taken from the BBC (just to show what a complete fruitloop Griffin is)

Agh, I can't stand "people" who deny the Holocaust

BNP...Nazi ****

Originally Posted by Russ D

Well yes he has now, but for about 20 minutes, his pre-edited post made no sense whatsoever. He has of course since edited his post.

D'oh, sorry. I'd only seen the edited version (& didn't notice the "last edited.." bit at the bottom )

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Agh, I can't stand "people" who deny the Holocaust

BNP...Nazi ****

I'm curious as to what evidence he has TO deny it, did Mengele ring him on his mobile from beyond the grave and claim it was all a theatrical jape?

Hmm, five pages on the BNP, are they really that interesting ....

Originally Posted by Pem

Hmm, five pages on the BNP, are they really that interesting ....

Well the links to their site certainly is because it shows *exactly* what sort of garbage they are peddling for anyone to see.

Yes, those who already think the same way as the BNP will simply see it as re-inforcement of their views, but for the rest of the people with open minds, they can see it for the poisonous nonsense it is.