Bnp

[Russ]

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[abailey152]

Originally Posted by towny

But, politicians have an incurable hunger for votes. No votes, no job. If they see that Euro-sceptic policies win votes, they will eventually be unable to help themselves. Don't forget, Tony B. Liar won his first parliamentary election on a platform of withdrawl from the EU, so mainstream political parties can and do make complete about-turns even on policies as big as this. A mass vote for UKIP is never going to bring them to power, but if the vote is big enough the mainstream parties are likely to change their positions just enough to shore up our honoured position in the EU as the principal buttress against creeping federalism.

Remember how keen the main parties suddenly were to claim green credentials after the Greens hugely increased their vote in the Euro elections in the late 80s (1989, IIRC).

Very good points

[etccarmageddon]

just got my voting papers today and voted UKIP.

Originally Posted by Russ D

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what

Lets balance things up a little, we have been shown what the ANL say about the BNP, so lets see what the BNP say about the ANL eh?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/anl.html


After all theres ALWAYS 2 sides to every story

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Lets balance things up a little, we have been shown what the ANL say about the BNP, so lets see what the BNP say about the ANL eh?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/anl.html


After all theres ALWAYS 2 sides to every story

There certainly is, however, one side is infinately more believable than the other especially when they come out with the crap like this.

Did you actually believe any of the twaddle in that link you posted? It's far and away the most ludicrous bit of prose (and that's an insult to the word) I've ever read.

They could have at least backed up these points, I suspect the reason they haven't is because they know themselves it's a load of garbage

Abolish all restrictions on immigration and asylum seeking
Support IRA bombing campaigns
Legalise paedophilia by abolishing the Age of Consent
Ban political parties which stand in their way
Increase taxes to pay for handouts to ethnics

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Lets balance things up a little, we have been shown what the ANL say about the BNP, so lets see what the BNP say about the ANL eh?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/anl.html


After all theres ALWAYS 2 sides to every story

Your right, there are, however the BNP seem to attempt to make both sides work for them!! http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...3&postcount=12

[mdean]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Then perhaps you have the money to pay for these people. Stop there handouts and free house's though and you'll find it hard to get anyone over here anyway. There supposed to stay in the first neutral country too. There's just too many mugs in this country that believe the cr@p

Sorry but this makes no sense. The usual tabloid rant about Asylum seekers bleeding the country dry.......

The truth is after a short time most who come will be working & paying their rent. They need support because of the oppression they face. Our population is starting to fall - as the baby boomers head towards retirement. We need people to come here

[Tezcatlipoca]

http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html

Originally Posted by BNP

Q: The politicians and the media call the BNP "racist"? Is this true?

A: No. "Racism" is when you †˜hateâÃà ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ another ethnic group. We don't 'hate' black people, we don't 'hate' Asians,

Racism is not solely hatred of another ethnic/racial group.

From Dictionary.com:

Racism is...

"1 The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2 - Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "

The BNP are guilty of both.

Originally Posted by BNP

we don't oppose any ethnic group for what God made them, they have a right to their own identity as much as we do,

e.g. "it's not their fault they are not white, they can have their own identity - just not in Britain"

Originally Posted by BNP

all we want to do is to preserve the ethnic and cultural identity of the British people. We want the same human rights as everyone else, a right to a homeland, security, identity, democracy and freedom. We are not against immigrants as individuals. We are against a system which imports cheap labour regardless of the wishes of the host population. The British people were never asked if they wanted a multi-cultural society, immigration was forced on us undemocratically and against the clear wishes of the majority.

...BNP definition of "British people" = white people (see later on)

Originally Posted by BNP

Q: When you talk about being "British" what do you mean?


A: We mean the bonds of culture, race, identity and roots of the native British peoples of the British Isles. We have lived in these islands near on 40,000 years! We were made by these islands, and these islands are our home. When we in the BNP talk about being British, we talk about the native peoples who have lived in these islands since before the Stone Age, and the relatively small numbers of peoples of almost identical stock, such as the Saxons, Vikings and Normans, and the Irish, who have come here and assimilated.

So, according to the BNP, you can only be British if you are white & of anglo-saxon/Viking/Norman/Celtic origin etc.

Black? Asian? Any other non-white ethnic group? The BNP thinks you are foreign & an immigrant (even if you were born here, even if your parents were born here, even if your grand parents were born here....to them, you are still foreign, still an immigrant, still not "British").

Originally Posted by BNP

Q: What solutions does the BNP offer to the immigration problem?


A: The first thing a BNP government would do is to stop all further mass immigration into Britain. Then we would put in place a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those foreigners resident in Britain would be encouraged to return to their lands of origin. We would offer them the proper cash provisions to do this. This would stop, reduce and then reverse the headlong rush to a majority ethnic Britain. This scenario would benefit not only the native British people, who would secure themselves a homeland, but those of foreign origin who would take invaluable benefits to their own countries by using the skills and money they acquired in Britain to help their lands of native origins develop. It is the only answer to the present problem, the alternative is that the British people become a minority and face an uncertain future as second class citizens in our own land.

Stop mass immigration - I suppose there are some normal people who may agree with this, because of the "asylum problem" (or is that really "tabloid problem"??), but it goes further than just "closing our borders" etc etc...

"voluntary resettlement" - the BNP used to have a policy of enforced "resettlement", & only changed it to look "nicer".

But even a "voluntary" policy is still wrong. Who do they want to "resettle" (the old "send 'em back where they came from!" etc)???? > "foreigners". What are foreigners according to the BNP? All Non-white people.

"native British people" - BNP meaning = white Britons

"foreign origin" - BNP meaning = not white.

Originally Posted by BNP

Q: Why are you against mixed-raced relationships?


A: We are against mixed-raced relationships because we believe that all species and races of life on this planet are beautiful and must be preserved. When whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed. And, of course, the same is true of the non-white side. We want generations that spring from us to be the same as us, look like us, and be moved by the same things as us. We feel that to preserve the rich tapestry of mankind, we must preserve ethnic differences, not †˜mish-mashâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ them together.

[quote=BNP]
Q: Where do you stand on racial attacks?


A: Racist attacks are wrong, plain and simple. The majority of racist attacks in this country are committed against white British people, contrary to the image that the anti-British mass media portray

(snip)

and

Originally Posted by BNP

Q: Do you promote violence?


A: No. What possible advantage could we gain from it? The BNP feels that this country can, and will, only be changed by legal, democratic means. This is why we contest elections at all levels, from local parish council seats, to the General Election. There simply isn't any evidence whatsoever of any promotion of violence by the British National Party, it is all lies, lies and lies from a left-liberal media who know that our views and policies are shared by millions of people and so resort to unfounded smears rather than dealing with our arguments.

Don't promote violence? Think racial attacks are wrong? LOL, must be a different BNP then...

See:

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/s...vered/pg07.htm


(Yes, it is a Searchlight link, so obviously some may say they are biased against the BNP (if they are, so what? they are an anti-fascist group, obviously they will campaign against racist fascist **** like the BNP!) - that does not diminish the facts about the racism & violence of BNP members.)

Originally Posted by Searchlight

BNP & criminality

Who says todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them †“ all of a criminal nature. †œThe BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence,âââ€Å ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ� its website states. But despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:

• Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.
• Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.
  In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.
  
• Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
  
• John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.
  
• Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.
  
• Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.
  
• Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.
  
• Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him
• Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.
• Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods
• Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18
• Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

In spite of this imposing list, when pressed by the BBC Panorama team in September 2001 on the convictions of its leading members, party leader Nick Griffin just lied. He claimed Tony Lecomber, his deputy merely had a conviction for handling fireworks. He also claimed that party chief steward Warren Bennett had a minor conviction †œsome 15 years agoââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� but had not been in trouble since. The truth is that Bennett has been named in the Scottish press for violence as recently as 2002. Griffin also tried to claim that Colin Smith had no convictions.

Also, the BNP has historic links with Combat 18 & so on.

I recommend people actually have a good read of....

"Searchlight - Stop the BNP"

"The Politics of the BNP"

"The History of the BNP"

"Profile of Nick Griffin"

"The BNP - A Racist Party"

"The BNP - Democracy & Elections"

"International Nazi Links of the BNP"

"BNP & Criminality"

"BNP & Anti-Semitism"

"BNP & Islamophobia"

Stop the BNP Campaign - anti-BNP resources (articles on them, & info to counter their claims)


Anyone who thinks the BNP are not racist, & not fascist, is, quite simply, an idiot. Or worse.



EDIT:

A little bit about "Searchlight" magazine:

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/searchlight.asp

Searchlight

Searchlight's aim is to combat racism, neo-nazism, fascism and all forms of prejudice.

Searchlight is a non-sectarian organisation in political, ethnic and religious terms. It believes in achieving the broadest possible unity in the fight against racism, neo-nazism, fascism and prejudice.

Searchlight has existed for more than 30 years. In summer 1962, in response to a resurgence of open and violent neo-nazi activities, a group of people from a wide variety of political and religious backgrounds met in London to set up the Searchlight Association.

Searchlight has appeared as a monthly magazine since 1975. It is now read all over the world.

Simon Wiesenthal, the greatest of the post-war nazi-hunters, described Searchlight as the best English language publication of its kind anywhere in the world.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

what

Your reply made no sense in regard to what I asked of you.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Bifta

There certainly is, however, one side is infinately more believable than the other especially when they come out with the crap like this.

Did you actually believe any of the twaddle in that link you posted? It's far and away the most ludicrous bit of prose (and that's an insult to the word) I've ever read.

They could have at least backed up these points, I suspect the reason they haven't is because they know themselves it's a load of garbage

Originally Posted by Russ D

Your reply made no sense in regard to what I asked of you.

the secound biit had proof they had links with BNP

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Your reply made no sense in regard to what I asked of you.

You asked Damien to show the BNP & C18 had links, & he did:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...6&postcount=60

[mdean]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

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Anyone who thinks the BNP are not racist, & not fascist, is, quite simply, an idiot. Or worse.

Here here - top post

Check this out in todays Yorkshire Evening Post - really good stuff especially the granny duped into standing for the **** bags


http://www.leedstoday.net/

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Black? Asian? Any other non-white ethnic group? The BNP thinks you are foreign & an immigrant (even if you were born here, even if your parents were born here, even if your grand parents were born here....to them, you are still foreign, still an immigrant, still not "British").

Let me play devils advocate here. Lets say that you were born in China and had always lived there and so had your parents. You could easily understand why the people around you still wouldn't see you as Chinese, even though you spoke the language and held a passport. They might accept you but they would never see you as fully Chinese.