Here comes the tax rises

[Russ]

If you’re going to save face then trust me, this is not the hill you want to die on.

*If* Starmer’s plans are successful, and it puts money back in the economy and society benefits from tax which can be used to repair what the Tories destroyed (the NHS for example) then you’ll be wrong, although I wont be interested enough to gloat.

If after 14 years, like the Tories (or even less if you’re honest with yourself) he leaves the country in a terrible state he’ll be worthy of all the derision in the world.

And for the record I’ve never “championed” (could you not have used a more self-embarrassing expression?) Starmer.

Take a look at what my signature has been for the past 8 months. Does it say “Vote Labour”? Does it say “Starmer is the man we need”? Maybe you need the glasses I’m getting repaired on Friday but my position always been anti-Tory. There was no doubt nobody other than Labour would take over but that doesn’t make me a fanboy.

You can try to shoehorn me in to whatever Starmer-loving caricature you have of me in your head, it does t bother me but I promise that’s the only place it resides - in your head.

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And by the way, lying about me just makes you even more sad and twisted.

I have *never* called a single Tory voter ‘s c u m’. There are plenty of things I have said in the past you can choose from, you don’t need to make shit up.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

I have *never* called a single Tory voter ‘s c u m’. There are plenty of things I have said in the past you can choose from, you don’t need to make shit up.

Ok, I take that back, I mis-remembered an exchange between yourself and Sephiroth where he implied you'd said that.

I went back and checked, and you didn't.

My apologies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Labour keeps making self-inflicted mistakes, like Johnson in that way with the wallpaper. There is no reason for Starmer to get clothes, glasses and football tickets donated. I understand with football that he can no longer go to the stands so I don't care as much about that, especially if he is invited into a box as Sunak was, but he needs to cut out the rest of it.

They also didn't need to spend as much political capital on the winter fuel allowance. Say you're delaying it a year and tie it to the tax bands so it doesn't go to anyone paying 40%.

I don't think it's at the level of the Tories yet. That will come if they start giving out government contracts as dodgy as the PPE ones.

It's still early and they've had very little Parliamentary time so the jury is still out on what they will do. I think they need to signal some hope in the next budget now though, it can't be all doom and gloom. They'll be judged on the NHS, housing, crime and the economy. The problem is you need money to do the first three and not investing in anything won't help the economy either.

Just silly own goals. He's lucky the Opposition is enfeebled at the moment.

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think attacking Rayner for going on holiday when Parliament is in recess is a valid criticism.

Why the feck not?

She did the same to Boris when he went on holiday. She’s a massive hypocrite, they all are in Labour.

Originally Posted by Mick

Why the feck not?

She did the same to Boris when he went on holiday. She’s a massive hypocrite, they all are in Labour.

I think politicians should go on holiday in the summer if they want. The main criticism I remember was Raab who was doing so during the evacuation of Afghanistan which is different. Ministers/PMs should return or postpone their holiday is there is a crisis.

I.E Starmer was meant to go on holiday during the riots and cancelled it because of those riots.

[Russ]

I’m not really sure the whole “because they had a go at the Tories for doing it” is really a valid argument.

It’s also worth noting when Labour were in opposition and did something wrong the Tory fanboys would be all over it. But when Tory MPs did something dodgy the very same people would come would with lines such as “well all politicians are at it”.

Well it’s great to see the double standards and hypocrisy from the Tory Fanboys has quietened down however what excuse will they be forced to use in its place?

I wait with bated breath - it’ll be fun to point out the new level of hypocrisy.

If you (generically) are going to try to call out Labour for all their unpopular and apparent U-turns maybe at least give them the same amount of time the Tories had to show their true colours? I’m not sure comparing 3 months of power with 14 years of corruption and protecting the rich is a balanced approach.

How about we give them till the next election at least.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

It’s also worth noting when Labour were in opposition and did something wrong the Tory fanboys would be all over it. But when Tory MPs did something dodgy the very same people would come would with lines such as “well all politicians are at it”.

Well it’s great to see the double standards and hypocrisy from the Tory Fanboys has quietened down however what excuse will they be forced to use in its place?

I wait with bated breath - it’ll be fun to point out the new level of hypocrisy.

I think it Hilarious that the Labour fan boys, that relished when the Tories did something wrong and were all over it when they did, and thought themselves and Labour were morally superior.

Have realised in short order that Labour are just as nasty, perhaps more so, and just as bent.

And I’m going to thoroughly enjoy criticising Labour over the next term as vehemently as the Labour fan boys did the previous government.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And I’m going to thoroughly enjoy criticising Labour over the next term as vehemently as the Labour fan boys did the previous government.

Well, it's nice to have a hobby

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well, it's nice to have a hobby

I also make ashtrays.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And I’m going to thoroughly enjoy criticising Labour over the next term as vehemently as the Labour fan boys did the previous government.

You sure you got those posts right? I mean you’ve already completely misread 2 in the last 24 hours.

Still if that’s how you get enjoyment these days, all the power to you. I’m sure you’ll find some form of satisfaction from Labour spaffing £32bn to their mates.

[nomadking]

The Labour "gifts" have been going on for some years, so how come nobody's picked up on it before now?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The Labour "gifts" have been going on for some years, so how come nobody's picked up on it before now?

At a glance I’d say it’s due to them not being in government and therefore not being in much of a position to offer anything to donor, corrupt friends and screwing over the nation with a “no deal Brexit” whilst pretending it would make us a powerhouse on the international stage.

[papa smurf]

Diane abbot not happy with starmer

Diane Abbott has claimed Sir Keir Starmer's Labour is "in the pocket of millionaires" in a bombshell claim on the eve of the party's conference.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...f-millionaires


looks like theres trouble in paradise.

[Russ]

Still, I guess it’s all about how you spin a story.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Still, I guess it’s all about how you spin a story.

I understand he got some curtains donated for the flat. The rest he paid for himself?