Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > Virgin Media Services > Virgin Media Internet Service

ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 20-10-2011, 10:47   #16
Sirius
Grumpy Fecker
 
Sirius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Warrington
Age: 66
Services: Every Weekend
Posts: 17,098
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
What I find worrying is that 2 VM employees in this thread disregarded bad latency performance as unimportant, as if the gaming market is irrelevant. A total thumbs down to gaming customers. Is this an attitude that runs through the company?
If that was aimed at me please show me where i have said i disregarded bad latency, By the way i am posting from home before you think you can report me like you threatened to once.

All i did was point out that you were attempting to imply that this site might not want to report on that post on another forum. There i said it.
__________________
Do yourself a favour and ditch Microsoft and their Spyware infested OS
I am a happy Linux user

https://nobaraproject.org/
Sirius is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 20-10-2011, 10:50   #17
Chrysalis
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 12,050
Chrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronze
Chrysalis is cast in bronze
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr View Post
Don't see any claims over lag or jitter there though compared with the advert the ASA were ruling on
How can a service be perfect for gaming when jitter is all over the place?

The claim is there.

---------- Post added at 11:50 ---------- Previous post was at 11:49 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius View Post
If that was aimed at me please show me where i have said i disregarded bad latency, By the way i am posting from home before you think you can report me like you threatened to once before.

All i did was point out that you were attempting to imply that this site might not want to report on that post. There i said it.
You clapped to chris's comment that said it and even put in bold the bit about latency.

You saying you dont agree with what he said now?
Chrysalis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 10:53   #18
kwikbreaks
Inactive
 
Join Date: May 2010
Services: Plusnet FTTC, FoxSat HDR for TV, Vonage VOIP.
Posts: 2,082
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
to kwikbreaks unfortenatly the ASA cant rule on companies own websites, a silly rule.
Sorry but you're wrong on that one. I knew it was either coming or already in force and a quick google shows they got powers over those in May of this year.

This is the first hit rather than anything actually definitive but I'm sure it's the case...

http://chips88.com/safe_online_casin...pany-websites/

Maybe the guy who complained about the magazine ad is trawling the VM website right now....
kwikbreaks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 10:54   #19
Sirius
Grumpy Fecker
 
Sirius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Warrington
Age: 66
Services: Every Weekend
Posts: 17,098
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
How can a service be perfect for gaming when jitter is all over the place?

The claim is there.

---------- Post added at 11:50 ---------- Previous post was at 11:49 ----------



You clapped to chris's comment that said it and even put in bold the bit about latency.

You saying you don't agree with what he said now?
My point is that we don't all sit there every night highlighting the slightest change in our connection. I for instance have better things to do in my life than complain at every single change to my modem. I don't monitor my upstream channel all the time like you seem to do, I don't sit there trying to change it all the time because i use my connection for what i want and i don't see the point in fiddling with it..

Put simply i have a life
__________________
Do yourself a favour and ditch Microsoft and their Spyware infested OS
I am a happy Linux user

https://nobaraproject.org/
Sirius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:02   #20
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 38,572
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
more accurately VM said the magazine wrote the advert.

That is completely bizzare, how believable is it that a company wanting to advertise would tell the paper/magazine what to put in the advert and then not verify the advert before publish?
Highly believable. And I speak from experience. It shouldn't happen, but it does, for any number of reasons and not just at VM.

Quote:
I can simplify it, VM got caught misselling their broadband, quite simple.
One of several possible explanations ... Possibly the simplest to articulate, but that doesn't automatically make it correct.

Now, run along, aren't you due to run another ping test on your connection, it must be a good 10 minutes since the last one?
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:08   #21
Chrysalis
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 12,050
Chrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronze
Chrysalis is cast in bronze
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks View Post
Sorry but you're wrong on that one. I knew it was either coming or already in force and a quick google shows they got powers over those in May of this year.

This is the first hit rather than anything actually definitive but I'm sure it's the case...

http://chips88.com/safe_online_casin...pany-websites/

Maybe the guy who complained about the magazine ad is trawling the VM website right now....
The website was also reported along with the magazine.

---------- Post added at 12:08 ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius View Post
My point is that we don't all sit there every night highlighting the slightest change in our connection. I for instance have better things to do in my life than complain at every single change to my modem. I don't monitor my upstream channel all the time like you seem to do, I don't sit there trying to change it all the time because i use my connection for what i want and i don't see the point in fiddling with it..

Put simply i have a life
Yes I know, but at the same time there is people using VM who need good latency, mainly gamers. So for some people its more important than the speed.

Personally I dont check all the time either, I check when I notice problems on something I am doing eg. if a file is downloading slowly or ssh feels more laggy than normal. If everything feels ok on normal day to day stuff I dont check my tbb graph etc. I expect its the same for most people, they only check when problems start.
Chrysalis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:10   #22
kwikbreaks
Inactive
 
Join Date: May 2010
Services: Plusnet FTTC, FoxSat HDR for TV, Vonage VOIP.
Posts: 2,082
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Obviously folks with a connection that comes close to the VM advertising hype (and I accept that that is most) don't check but if you notice poor performance (as I did) then you do investigate.

The most recent whinger here is me not Chrysalis and the reasons for that are simple - what was a good connection became pretty much rubbish.

I set up a TBB monitor and it became clear to me that there was congestion. I posted about that on the VM forum to get it checked and noticed the increased response time. I considered that of interest to others and mentioned it here. I've also added some of the charts in the very long running thread on the monitor.

I saw mention that rebooting could sometimes shift the upstream channel so I took a look at the modem stats to see what the channel was and noticed while there that the power levels had changed suggesting a change of tap. I remembered a VM bod on the street and could see that the modem resynced around the time I saw him so I whinged about that here too (and posted about the now out of spec upstream on the VM forum).

If it wasn't for whingers like me and Chrysalis there'd be nothing for you employees/fanboys/whatever to respond to and the board would die for lack of posts.
kwikbreaks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:19   #23
lowei
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: nowhere near you
Services: BT INFINITY sky hd
Posts: 158
lowei has a spectacular aura about themlowei has a spectacular aura about themlowei has a spectacular aura about themlowei has a spectacular aura about them
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Because of the connection of mine and a few other peoples connection in our clan we have now gone to a different isp because our gaming suffered massively.
lowei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:22   #24
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 38,572
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks View Post
If it wasn't for whingers like me and Chrysalis there'd be nothing for you employees/fanboys/whatever to respond to and the board would die for lack of posts.
On the contrary, about four months ago there was a sudden and very welcome drop in the number of whingeing posts and obsessive speed/ping testing on this forum. The board didn't die. In fact it became a rather more pleasant place to be. With a notable reduction in bickering it also got a little easier to moderate as well.

If some folks here are a bit sensitive to any return to discussion of pings and jitter for ther own sake, it's hardly surprising. Nevertheless genuine discussion is, always has been and always will be most welcome here.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:24   #25
Sirius
Grumpy Fecker
 
Sirius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Warrington
Age: 66
Services: Every Weekend
Posts: 17,098
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks View Post
If it wasn't for whingers like me and Chrysalis there'd be nothing for you employees/fanboys/whatever to respond to and the board would die for lack of posts.
Point out where we employees/fanboys as you call us resort to using childish names. If we are to have a adult conversation on here lets keep it adult.

Anyway i do complain when my connection is bad. I do play games and i will complain very quickly if i see my connection deteriorate.




My connection at the present time. Monitored because i am part of the sam knows trial Q the well that's why your connection is good posts
__________________
Do yourself a favour and ditch Microsoft and their Spyware infested OS
I am a happy Linux user

https://nobaraproject.org/
Sirius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 11:34   #26
kwikbreaks
Inactive
 
Join Date: May 2010
Services: Plusnet FTTC, FoxSat HDR for TV, Vonage VOIP.
Posts: 2,082
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius View Post
Point out where we employees/fanboys as you call us resort to using childish names.
Perhaps the VM staff and forum admins don't use any childish names but one of the latter certainly resorts to childish comments...

Quote:
Now, run along, aren't you due to run another ping test on your connection, it must be a good 10 minutes since the last one?
kwikbreaks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 12:27   #27
AndyCalling
Inactive
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southampton (Switch PT2)
Services: Fixed phone service (inclusive weekend calls) & internet service (200/12meg)
Posts: 493
AndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud ofAndyCalling has much to be proud of
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
If you've not troubled yourself to establish any pattern in this website's news coverage, how have you arrived at the conclusion that this story being missing is 'curious'?
I don't understand this comment. Surely curiosity would be the driver behind troubling oneself to establish this website's news coverage patterns? I can't think what other driver would be an appropriate assumption, unless you are implying the poster is being paid to criticise this site for some reason which I doubt. So, surely curiosity must come before the research is done, being a driver rather than a conclusion in itself?
AndyCalling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 14:39   #28
Chrysalis
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 12,050
Chrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronzeChrysalis is cast in bronze
Chrysalis is cast in bronze
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Well its up on thereg now with yesterdays date, so they probably backdated it.
Chrysalis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 15:06   #29
kwikbreaks
Inactive
 
Join Date: May 2010
Services: Plusnet FTTC, FoxSat HDR for TV, Vonage VOIP.
Posts: 2,082
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
kwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze agekwikbreaks has reached the bronze age
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

If you picked up the link from their newsletter (it is in today's) then that is always a day behind the site itself.
kwikbreaks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2011, 15:13   #30
Milambar
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 954
Milambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond reputeMilambar has a reputation beyond repute
Re: ASA points out to Virgin Media that latency is not download speed

Uhm, they haven't backdated it, it was on the reg yesterday.
Milambar is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 22:40.


Server: lithium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum