50M Upload question

SOSAGES · 16-09-2011, 10:33

Hello one and all,

Last year i got told of by VM for using my download a lot over a short time (i did i admit it)
they sent me a letter and since then i have stuck to 9-9 downloading/uploading anything big.

I have to upload around 300GB and would like to do this over the weekend (or at least get it started)
I was wondering if anyone knew if upload was counted / monitored by VM and will it cause me to get another letter? if so i will just do 10GB a night for the next few weeks

thanks in advance

Sephiroth · 16-09-2011, 10:52

300 GB upload puts more strain on the local network than download because there is less capacity (16QAM) across fewer channels shared across the same user base.

They're watching.

SOSAGES · 16-09-2011, 11:32

yep that was my thinking about upload.
ok if they are watching i will play nicely
dammit i have a boring couple of weeks coming up

AbyssUnderground · 16-09-2011, 13:15

Why should you play nicely when you pay for your connection? Use as much upload and download as you like... They sell an UNLIMITED service to you, subject to throttling. If you're using too much on your UNLIMITED package, they shouldn't be selling it to you, or they should enforce throttling more.

That's my 2p...

SOSAGES · 16-09-2011, 14:18

only so much bandwidth in the world

i got told off once and since have been worried about using it out of 9-9hours

AbyssUnderground · 16-09-2011, 14:22

That may be so, but you pay for it so what does it matter?

I'm with Be*there and frequently do 500GB+/month and frequently max out 10Mbps for days on end. I did 1.05TB in a month a few months ago. Not a peep from Be*

Did 800GB frequently when I was on Virgin 10Mbps too.

I still can't understand why the ASA haven't stopped Virgin selling an unlimited product when it's obviously not unlimited. I think the word "unlimited" needs re-defining in advertising. It's like this: "Unlimited texts!* ............. *Maximum FUP 3000 texts a month" ... That's NOT unlimited then is it! Etc...

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jb66 · 16-09-2011, 15:43

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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

That may be so, but you pay for it so what does it matter?

I'm with Be*there and frequently do 500GB+/month and frequently max out 10Mbps for days on end. I did 1.05TB in a month a few months ago. Not a peep from Be*

Did 800GB frequently when I was on Virgin 10Mbps too.

I still can't understand why the ASA haven't stopped Virgin selling an unlimited product when it's obviously not unlimited. I think the word "unlimited" needs re-defining in advertising. It's like this: "Unlimited texts!* ............. *Maximum FUP 3000 texts a month" ... That's NOT unlimited then is it! Etc...

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I suppose I can compare it to going to pizza hut and getting unlimited refills, some have 2 or 3. But you would be there for 12 hours sipping away.

Ignitionnet · 16-09-2011, 15:46

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Originally Posted by SOSAGES

Hello one and all,

Last year i got told of by VM for using my download a lot over a short time (i did i admit it)
they sent me a letter and since then i have stuck to 9-9 downloading/uploading anything big.

I have to upload around 300GB and would like to do this over the weekend (or at least get it started)
I was wondering if anyone knew if upload was counted / monitored by VM and will it cause me to get another letter? if so i will just do 10GB a night for the next few weeks

thanks in advance

Just do it - STM will come in and throttle you anyways.

Skullet · 19-09-2011, 19:10

I think its bad enough that they throttle a supposedly unlimited connection, but sending you letters for using it too much is frankly poor.

If I was in your position I'd upload the file, heck I'd probably upload it twice just to spite them. If they send you any more letters then contact Trading Standards or seek legal advice elsewhere.

AbyssUnderground · 19-09-2011, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Skullet

I think its bad enough that they throttle a supposedly unlimited connection, but sending you letters for using it too much is frankly poor.

If I was in your position I'd upload the file, heck I'd probably upload it twice just to spite them. If they send you any more letters then contact Trading Standards or seek legal advice elsewhere.

That's the attitude I like

Skullet · 19-09-2011, 20:15

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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

That's the attitude I like

Thanks.

If people don't challenge Virgin over this sort behaviour, then they will continue to impose restrictions and rebrand words like "unlimited" till we are left paying for a service that we can't use.

The problem is that Virgin wants to have its cake and eat it, worse still it wants to have your cake too. I'd like to hear them define how much is too much? If they can put a number on it then it isn't unlimited and they are guilty of false advertising and as such fraud.

AbyssUnderground · 19-09-2011, 20:22

Bingo! And that's exactly my point too. I'm with Be*There at the moment and I've never heard of anyone having a letter from downloading/uploading too much. They truly are an unlimited ISP, just as Virgin should be. I remember the days when they were, and before STM as well. Those were good times...

Mick Fisher · 19-09-2011, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Skullet

Thanks.

If people don't challenge Virgin over this sort behaviour, then they will continue to impose restrictions and rebrand words like "unlimited" till we are left paying for a service that we can't use.

The problem is that Virgin wants to have its cake and eat it, worse still it wants to have your cake too. I'd like to hear them define how much is too much? If they can put a number on it then it isn't unlimited and they are guilty of false advertising and as such fraud.

Hmmm.......I wonder if that is why they always refuse to talk real numbers when warning of overuse?

Skullet · 19-09-2011, 21:25

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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

Bingo! And that's exactly my point too. I'm with Be*There at the moment and I've never heard of anyone having a letter from downloading/uploading too much. They truly are an unlimited ISP, just as Virgin should be. I remember the days when they were, and before STM as well. Those were good times...

Thats how it should be. If they sell a service that is unlimited then it should be without limits, the minute Virgin started STM'ing people and sending out letters they were guilty of fraudulent practices. I remember the good old days of Telewest and Blueyonder, and frankly since it changed to Virgin the service has gone down like the Hindenburg.

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Hmmm.......I wonder if that is why they always refuse to talk real numbers when warning of overuse?

They wont talk real numbers because it shatters the illusion of their unlimited service, despite the fact it is already well and truly shattered by their use of STM and other forms of traffic shaping, along with letters about overuse.

Next they will rebrand the term "Free Internet" for which you will pay Â£35 and will be restricted to viewing websites that end in .co.uk, and you can only use it on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

Sephiroth · 19-09-2011, 21:26

It's sold as "unlimited1". A big difference.