BPI/Virgin letters.....Who's had them

madpro · 06-08-2008, 13:41

I would be interested to know how many people on here have had one of these letters and if so do they use peerguardian or some such software. It would be interesting to know if this kind of software worked.

Does anyone on here use peerguardian and if so do you download music and have you had a letter?

Horace · 06-08-2008, 13:46

Peer-guardian relies on ip lists to block connections, it's so well know that I wouldn't rely on it to give any kind of protection. It's too easy for the BPI investigators to test their own ip's against the application or just use any random isp or 3G phone connection to get around it.

dev · 06-08-2008, 14:04

probably wont work, in the case of torrents your IP will still be listed on the tracker and once the BPI have verified the torrent's contents, they'll just grab the list of IPs off the tracker and contact the owners

07-08-2008, 09:21

I use PG2 AND TORRENTS AND TOUCH WOOD NEVER BEEN COURT

sorry about the caps

Andrewcrawford23 · 07-08-2008, 09:36

Well my ip on torrents is lsited as 240.240.240.240

nothing to do with my ip, btw i dnt download music just hide my ip so it does give a hacker anything ot try hack.

Thunderballs · 08-08-2008, 03:19

Not the same issue as my problem and letter were to do with email - but it is all in the same area of isp turned policeman, judge and jury. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...for-abuse.html

Horace · 08-08-2008, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

Well my ip on torrents is lsited as 240.240.240.240

nothing to do with my ip, btw i dnt download music just hide my ip so it does give a hacker anything ot try hack.

Unless you're going through a proxy (which includes I2P/Tor) which is usually really really slow, your real ip is visible to the person you're downloading and uploading from/to irrelevant of what you may 'think'.

Andrewcrawford23 · 08-08-2008, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace

Unless you're going through a proxy (which includes I2P/Tor) which is usually really really slow, your real ip is visible to the person you're downloading and uploading from/to irrelevant of what you may 'think'.

I can assure it is not, only the torrent and tracker both report the ip above or what i choose. i have tested it from various locations to see if it exists the remotely changed the ip and hay presto it changes.

BTW it is not a proxy i am using it a direct connection that goes through a very smart firewall

some of the advantages of being really good at networking.

Sirius · 08-08-2008, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace

Unless you're going through a proxy (which includes I2P/Tor) which is usually really really slow, your real ip is visible to the person you're downloading and uploading from/to irrelevant of what you may 'think'.

correct

dev · 08-08-2008, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

I can assure it is not, only the torrent and tracker both report the ip above or what i choose. i have tested it from various locations to see if it exists the remotely changed the ip and hay presto it changes.

BTW it is not a proxy i am using it a direct connection that goes through a very smart firewall

some of the advantages of being really good at networking.

so how do people connect to you then?

Horace · 08-08-2008, 18:56

You do know that an IP is fundamental to the way TCP and UDP work? Each packet has to know where to go else it will end up dropped. It needs an address in the same way a letter needs an address, there's no magic involved and no way around it.

Toto · 08-08-2008, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

I can assure it is not, only the torrent and tracker both report the ip above or what i choose. i have tested it from various locations to see if it exists the remotely changed the ip and hay presto it changes.

BTW it is not a proxy i am using it a direct connection that goes through a very smart firewall

some of the advantages of being really good at networking.

DC Hub, old IRC hub?

psyfur · 08-08-2008, 20:49

@ OP

40G a night on usenet and no letter, but then again the postie round here is not that reliable...

Andrewcrawford23 · 08-08-2008, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace

You do know that an IP is fundamental to the way TCP and UDP work? Each packet has to know where to go else it will end up dropped. It needs an address in the same way a letter needs an address, there's no magic involved and no way around it.

Well you go explain how it works then

i can assure it works i have tested it and it works fine, at the end of the day the ip translate to my ip but not on the tracker or the client machine looking at it.

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Originally Posted by Toto

DC Hub, old IRC hub?

If you are refering to my connection it aint anything special it virgin

. If oyu mean teh firewall it combanation of ipcop and irc hub not as one though be bugger to configure ipcop for that

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Originally Posted by dev

so how do people connect to you then?

As expained above because my visible translate to my ip but at osi level 3 the thoery behind is way complex to much for me to explain or understand myself i jsut know how to do it in pratice.

**Hugh** · 08-08-2008, 21:05

Andrew, this is fascinating - didn't know this could be done, as the IP address is the unique ID to allow packets to be delivered.

I will ask my Network team (12 strong) about this on Monday, because if any of our students are doing this, it will probably breech JANET regulations - thanks for the heads-up. And if they are puzzled, I can always pass it to some of the Profs/Lecturers, who teach this stuff, and work with Nortel in designing network equipment.