Weird...

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 15:14

I downloaded Homenet manager earlier and just now it's come up displaying the following: (It seems to show that all the devices are online, and they all appear to have 82.** etc pings which would suggest they are on the Virgin network.- They're not on my network) Could someone explain?

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 15:33

Ahh! I just logged on to somebody elses broadband router! WTF is going on...-

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 15:39

Ok...so I'm on somebody else's broadband router...

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Remember guys...this is through a wired connection.

grubbymitts · 09-05-2007, 17:12

how have you managed to log onto someone else's router when you have a wired connection to your pc? Do you have your wifi adaptor set to log onto any available network or something?

cybernetic_tiger · 09-05-2007, 17:17

Well if they are 82. addresses they are public addresses so you must be getting to the ubr then routing back to those CPE's.

The router you logged on-to must have remote administration switched on and others must not be using firewalls (or poo ones)

Horace · 09-05-2007, 17:24

It looks like the software is assuming your private ip range starts with 82.*.*.* and it's scanning all the ip's in that range. I assume you're not behind a router and therefore you're using a public ip address instead of a private (192.168.*.*) range.
What is strange is the fact that it's picking up Ambit modems in some cases and in others the PC themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

Ahh! I just logged on to somebody elses broadband router! WTF is going on...-

Remote Administration usually requires a username and password. Are you saying it didn't ask for one?

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace

It looks like the software is assuming your private ip range starts with 82.*.*.* and it's scanning all the ip's in that range. I assume you're not behind a router and therefore you're using a public ip address instead of a private (192.168.*.*) range.
What is strange is the fact that it's picking up Ambit modems in some cases and in others the PC themselves.

Remote Administration usually requires a username and password. Are you saying it didn't ask for one?

No...it did, but I assumed default password.

I usually connect through a Netgear router, but this time I decided to go direct and it picked up all of those addresses.

Is it possible I'm being routed through these people? I don't want to interfere with their service, or them to interfere with mine.

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 18:52

It picked up on a total of 28 other devices; does this mean there are a total of only 29 VM connections in the area? Oh, and when I'm connected through the router, this is what happens -

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 18:53

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Originally Posted by grubbymitts

how have you managed to log onto someone else's router when you have a wired connection to your pc? Do you have your wifi adaptor set to log onto any available network or something?

Don't have a wi-fi adapter.

RXP · 09-05-2007, 18:55

I heard years ago that a US cable ISP left a massive security hole so that browsing the network neighbourhood actually meant you could browse everyone's PC's on his street. Maybe same has happened here?

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 19:03

It's really starting to worry me. Fortunately I do have security set up, a password and a firewall. It's really baffling.

If anyone else would download homenet manager, we can see if it's possible in all areas.

cybernetic_tiger · 09-05-2007, 19:03

You have a public IP address... the public bit gives it away. Once you are past your router (i.e. directly connected to the cable modem) you are on the public network.

This is why it is always important to run secure firewalls (one that blocks spurious attempts to connect both outbound and inbound) as apposed to windows firewall which just blocks inbound.

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 19:06

I have the firewall on my netgear router set up - is this good enough?

cybernetic_tiger · 09-05-2007, 19:10

Yes its ok, I wouldn't use it on it's own. IPNAT and the fact that your connected to your own Local network which then routes to the public network is one of the best security features.

Sirpingalot · 09-05-2007, 19:28

Just shows how insecure the network is...shocking

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So what is IPNAT?

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Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Mike>tracert 82.**.***.**

Tracing route to cpc2-brmb1-0-0-cust19.bagu.cable.ntl.com [82.**.**.**]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms cpc2-brmb1-0-0-cust***.bagu.cable.ntl.com [82.**
.**.**]
2 15 ms 8 ms 14 ms 10.***.***.*
3 61 ms 36 ms 34 ms cpc2-brmb1-0-0-cust***.bagu.cable.ntl.com [82.**.
***.**]

Trace complete.

That's what I get when I run a tracert to one of the addresses. I believe it goes through the UBR.