Fines for not allowing to Breast Feed?

Russ · 17-03-2005, 15:15

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3909153.stm

What a load of rubbish.

Personally I am not offended by the site of this but I'm sure some people are. Whilst eating in a resturant I really wouldn't want to have it done blatantly in front of me, but to threaten financial penalties to business who ask a woman to stop doing so would be PC'ness got nuts. What I'm sure would help the situation would be more facilities allowing mothers to be able to do it in private if they wish.

I'm sure there are many Muslims who would object to this sort of thing. What will resturants fear most, the threat of a ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2000 fine or accusations of racial/religious intolerance?

BBKing · 17-03-2005, 15:18

Do Muslim children not drink milk, then?

I think it's an excellent idea, there's nothing remotely offensive and everything natural about breastfeeding children. There's everything offensive about being ordered not to feed a child in a public place. Private places are different, of course.

I refuse to accept that women shoud be stigmatised and discriminated against for doing what's best for their child, that's outrageous.

Russ · 17-03-2005, 15:23

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Do Muslim children not drink milk, then?

Yes they do - what's your point?

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I think it's an excellent idea, there's nothing remotely offensive and everything natural about breastfeeding children. There's everything offensive about being ordered not to feed a child in a public place. Private places are different, of course.

Nothing wrong with breast feeding, in fact it's preferrable. But not blatantly and 'in yer face' (so to speak)

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I refuse to accept that women shoud be stigmatised and discriminated against for doing what's best for their child, that's outrageous.

Now you're getting a little dramatic - no-one is discriminating against women for doing it.

philip.j.fry · 17-03-2005, 15:26

Mealtimes in a restaurant?? whatever next?

Pierre · 17-03-2005, 15:36

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Originally Posted by Russ D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3909153.stm

What a load of rubbish.

Personally I am not offended by the site of this but I'm sure some people are. Whilst eating in a resturant I really wouldn't want to have it done blatantly in front of me, but to threaten financial penalties to business who ask a woman to stop doing so would be PC'ness got nuts. What I'm sure would help the situation would be more facilities allowing mothers to be able to do it in private if they wish.

I'm sure there are many Muslims who would object to this sort of thing. What will resturants fear most, the threat of a ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2000 fine or accusations of racial/religious intolerance?

Who cares!, I mean come on, who really cares.

There are far more things in life to worry about, than someone feeding their baby.

That's all I can contribute to this thread.

17-03-2005, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Personally I am not offended by the site of this but I'm sure some people are. Whilst eating in a resturant I really wouldn't want to have it done blatantly in front of me, but to threaten financial penalties to business who ask a woman to stop doing so would be PC'ness got nuts.

It doesn't bother me - whether it's right next to me, in a restaurant, or wherever. Babies don't know when it is convenient, but they DO know when they're hungry.

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I'm sure there are many Muslims who would object to this sort of thing. What will resturants fear most, the threat of a ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2000 fine or accusations of racial/religious intolerance?

I'm not sure why you're bringing this into it, because it seems rather irrelevant. I also don't see why it should offend Muslims at all, or otherwise no more than they might be by anything - like women wearing a blouse/skirt.

The legislation might seem a mit much, and it's hardly a question of being PC - otherwise we'd hide mothers and babies away just to avoid offending anyone, but it's long overdue that something so totally unthreatening to anyone should simply be allowed without question.
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There are far more things in life to worry about, than someone feeding their baby.

Try telling the baby!

Russ · 17-03-2005, 15:41

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I'm not sure why you're bringing this into it, because it seems rather irrelevant. I also don't see why it should offend Muslims at all, or otherwise no more than they might be by anything - like women wearing a blouse/skirt.

It was just one example of how forcing someone to allow it is likely to cause further problems.

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The legislation might seem a mit much, and it's hardly a question of being PC - otherwise we'd hide mothers and babies away just to avoid offending anyone, but it's long overdue that something so totally unthreatening to anyone should simply be allowed without question.

It's the forcing to allow it happen which makes me uncomfortable.

Flubflow · 17-03-2005, 15:58

I don't mind.
Just so long as I don't get fined for watching.

punky · 17-03-2005, 15:59

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Originally Posted by BBKing

Do Muslim children not drink milk, then?

I'd be interested to know how muslims think about it, officially (from the MCB or something). They can either look at it as being immodest, and therefore bad (for a woman)... They are used to having it down under a jilbab where you'd be hard to notice it happening at all. The other way you can look at it, is that it is the epiome of child-rearing, which is a real plus point in Islam, so maybe they'd like to see it. I suppose it depends on the mentality of the person, as much as it would do for a non-muslim.

I am wth you in that I can't see how it can possibly be offensive, especially with the amount of boobs you see around you anyway in newspapers, magazines, etc. (But then again, because they look the same as a male chest, but bigger, I never saw the fuss about why one is fine to look at, and the other isn't anyway).

I am not a fan of PCness though, and we do have to share this world with other people (as much as some wouldn't like to admit it)... And these people might object, so we should find some happy medium that keeps everyone happy. If someone objects, can't the lady use the toilet? OK, not the nicest of venues, but I don't suppose the kid will mind. I wouldn't like to see restaurants banning it as a rule, but geninely if someone is really offended by it (Gawd knows why) then I think you'd have to consider them, as well as everyone else.

Gareth · 17-03-2005, 16:03

I was hoping for so much more than this in a bill entitled 'the Breastfeeding Scotland Bill'. I had images of the entire country being force breast-fed

Aragorn · 17-03-2005, 16:14

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I was hoping for so much more than this in a bill entitled 'the Breastfeeding Scotland Bill'. I had images of the entire country being force breast-fed

Sounds like a Little Britain sketch to me - Time for bitty?

ian@huth · 17-03-2005, 16:14

There's nothing at all wrong with a woman breast feeding a baby no matter where it is done. Most of the time you wouldn't really see anything anyway, it's all in their minds. There is something wrong with people who complain about it though, they have no need to watch what's going on. I have seen many other things going on in restaurants that are much more objectionable.

Russ · 17-03-2005, 16:18

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There's nothing at all wrong with a woman breast feeding a baby no matter where it is done. Most of the time you wouldn't really see anything anyway, it's all in their minds.

But just because you find it acceptable doesn't mean everyone will!

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I have seen many other things going on in restaurants that are much more objectionable.

Yes and more often than not the resturant can take action. With this new Bill, they could be fined for doing so.

MetaWraith · 17-03-2005, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Gareth

I was hoping for so much more than this in a bill entitled 'the Breastfeeding Scotland Bill'. I had images of the entire country being force breast-fed

<flippant mode = on>
such as a propaganda leaflet type airdrop, consisting of various issues of the sunday sport ?
<flippant mode = off>

ian@huth · 17-03-2005, 16:20

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If someone objects, can't the lady use the toilet? OK, not the nicest of venues, but I don't suppose the kid will mind.

I suppose that an adult who is coughing, sneezing and blowing his nose throughout his meal would object if he was told to go and finish his meal in the toilet. (Picture of the advert with the guy with the big nose sneezing and blasting everything in front of him away).