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Old 09-12-2004, 13:54   #1
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Question Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

My girlfriend and her best mate are seriously into clairvoyancy, tarrot
cards and all that etc..

The clairvoyant they both use charges £40 an hour for a tarrot
card reading (not a bad little earner if you can get the business).

What does everyone think of clairvoyance?

Do these people really obtain the abilities to see into the future?
(in which case why cant they predict all 6 lottery numbers every week?)

Or is it just a con?

My current belief is that they make 'generic' statements for which the
believers of tarrot draw comparisons to real life situations - which makes
the believers think that the tarrot readers can see into the future.
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Old 09-12-2004, 14:22   #2
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

Con.

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Old 09-12-2004, 14:29   #3
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

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Con.

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But seriously ... didn't the ouija boards thread cover a lot of similar ground?

For the record, I think mostly it's a parlour trick, but in cases where people practice it seriously they are capable of channelling the same kind of unpleasant forces as can be behind the ouija board.

/steps back and waits to be accused of turning this into a religious thread.
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

Clari Voyance.. I wonder if she's related to Holly?
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

MMMmmm - I'd have to say con.

But then I guess you coud've just asked the one they hire and he could've told you that

As for what I THINK of them - I couldn't possibly comment withough being banned
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

If the clairvoyant was only about 3 and a half feet tall and escaped while on remand, would we have a small medium at large?

I certainly feel that it's dangerous, I see it in action each week on the show and the number of people who fight over getting readings is bewildering.
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I certainly feel that it's dangerous, I see it in action each week on the show and the number of people who fight over getting readings is bewildering.
I remember my favourite man being on Talk Sport once - the phones were going nuts all night for him....

Odd.
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

Charging £40 for a reading !!! WOW Thats an awful lot of money.

I think on the balance of things some people do have a gift. It could just be they are good communicators or good listeners or very good at reading body language. Or they could genuinely be hearing or knowing things about you. I dont' think they are evil, most of them just have a different concept of God or what/who the Source is. There are some of course that are not into any system of religious belief and some who probably are pagan.

I don't think most psychics are con artists but I believe that some of them are just out to make a quick buck. £40 !!!! I wouldn't pay it.

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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

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Con.

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Can't argue with that, but i'll elaborate on it a bit.

Houdini, Penn & Teller and now Derren Brown have now proved it is nonsense.

I highly recommend watching Penn & Teller's show (it's called Bull**it), about mediums, because they set their case so well (you can find it on Suprnova)

Cold reading is a very, very old mind trick which goes back many centuries. You throw something vague out and by reading people's reactions you can work out how right you are.

Examples: "He had something to do with the water, like boats or.." / "He was a fisherman" and later: "He told me my husband was a fisherman, wow!". No, he didn't, you did.

And how to turn a wrong answer into a right one:

"I am speak to your mother... She is really nervous.."

...No response from person...

"Which is so unlike her..."

...person's face lights up... and the 'medium' then has a major piece of info that the person gave her, and will tell everyone that the medium met the person's mother and knew she was not shy.

That's the funny thing. Everyone thinks that mediums give the info out at readings, when actually, it is the exact opposite. If you do not say a word or express a facial expression (or sit behind a curtain), the readings are completely inaccurate as to be nonsense.

Penn also makes the funny observation: "Why if the dead are trying to communicate with the living are they so vague? Are they too busy watching TV at the time to talk clear and detailed to the medium? Are the dead always obsessed with playing charades?"

And i'll like to mention the James Randi Foundation. It is a charity set up to find evidence of paranormal activity. They offer $1m to anyone that, under controlled, measurable conditions demonstrate any paranormal activity. So far it is unclaimed. You say that to mediums, they say: "It's not about the money, I do it to help people". Well, $1m to charity would help people too wouldn't it?
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

One very simple question. If clairvoyants can really foretell the future, why aren't they rich? If the answer from them is that they can only see it in very general terms, then that shows exactly how much use their advice is.
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One very simple question. If clairvoyants can really foretell the future, why aren't they rich?
Most of them are
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Most of them are
Yes, the thought struck me, but too late it seems. What I should have said is, why aren't they rich by some other means than conning the gullible,
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Re: Clarivoyance, genunie or a con?

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Con.

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Today is one of those rare occasions when I'm in full agreement with Graham.
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Me three. We never agree. The planets must be in alignment or something.
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Clari Voyance.. I wonder if she's related to Holly?
more likely the distant, french relative of Clary, Julian.
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