Directors pay rise

[th'engineer]

This has not been announced and as usual will expect the usual stick aboput it untill its announced .

Due to many savings in the company, and a better financial outlook within the communications sector. In other words its more profitable a nice pay rise for NTL directors in september.

Watch this space

Remember i got the BB upgrade dates not been wrong on my predictions, remember that NTL is like a colander full off leaks.

[Ignition]

*Shrug*

Whoever keeps passing you this info should be fired tbh they do no credit to the company whatsoever passing this stuff around.

As far as the subject in question goes, as a customer + employee none of my business so long at they've delivered the results required of them to justify pay rises, and we'll have to see exactly what these pay rises are. I'm certainly not going to jump up and down on a vague rumour like this one.

FWIW no really interesting fact here, where companies have improved financially of course directors, etc will be given payrises.

Let's see what happens before we go witch hunting eh?

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

*Shrug*

Whoever keeps passing you this info should be fired tbh they do no credit to the company whatsoever passing this stuff around.

All i can say is that it drops right out of Hook

[Ignition]

As should whomever keeps giving you this stuff - way out of order especially considering whomever is doing it knows you are going to broadcast it far and wide with a smug grin on your face.

Anyway that's OT so will shaddap about it.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Whoever keeps passing you this info should be fired tbh they do no credit to the company whatsoever passing this stuff around.

Sorry, but I disagree. Whoever it is should continue until the relevent people within ntl get off their butts and start communicating dates such as these and other important information. I mean ffs, how stupid are they? It can only be a good thing for ntl to get some positive publicity. It's how many days to August and where is the official communication?

[Russ]

Getting such information out of ntl is always welcome but only if it's proven to be true. I'm not really interested in rumour or speculation so with respect, I'll not take it too seriously until I see the official press release.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by th'engineer

This has not been announced and as usual will expect the usual stick aboput it untill its announced .

Due to many savings in the company, and a better financial outlook within the communications sector. In other words its more profitable a nice pay rise for NTL directors in september.

Watch this space

Remember i got the BB upgrade dates not been wrong on my predictions, remember that NTL is like a colander full off leaks.

I haven't any inside info on this, but I would think its almost a certainty. I'm not a gambling man but would feel safe putting my money on it.

CableTel/ntl as a company of pulling the wool over peoples eyes, its not difficult to manipulate things to make them look good to shareholders. The only way ntl directors have improved the figures is by shedding loads of jobs, they are playing the old corporate game of keep chopping at the roots and hope the tree doesn't fall over. When they get to the stage that things dont operate anymore, they know they have found the minimum staffing level. Unfortunately some functions in a company do not show the signs of harm with these prsctices until its too late.

The company has been squeezing employees for a long time, they are increasing peoples workload and managers are acting like dictators whilst telling people to walk out if they dont like it as they are easily replaced. this is happening in some ntl departments, I know its certainly happening in one of the old departments I used to work for, as the department has recently had three people go sick with stress within a metter of weeks. The hours lost through people being sick with stress in that department over the last three years has increased dramatically, a certain amount was due to the slackers who were unhappy at having to pull their finger out but now it is causing previously concsientious, keen workers to take time off.

These factors and the general operational shambles that ntl is in will be well hidden amongst the figures, and the shareholders will be unaware about the huge potential pitfalls waiting around the corner.

I will admit that when the economy starts to look better and more suitable jobs become available in the next inevitable boom for technical employees, I for one will have a big smile on my face.
ntl will reap what they sow, the directors can only get away with treating people like s**t whilst there are so few jobs around.

I am prepared to have a tenner on the directors getting a good rise and bonuses, certainly far higher that the little rise and bonus the ntl workers are getting these days.

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Getting such information out of ntl is always welcome but only if it's proven to be true. I'm not really interested in rumour or speculation so with respect, I'll not take it too seriously until I see the official press release.

Remember Russ i had the dates for the increase and you have known me more right than wrong in getting info first

[Florence]

There is a large customer base out there in a cable franchised area. Waiting for the cable BB to come this increase in money should be used wisely like expanding the network building a future plan for greater growth. Showing vision of better things.. not lining the pockets of those few wealthy bosses who can only see a way to increase profits by reducing staff..

A healthy company increases customer base while retaining the old customers which in turn increases the profits. If they turned their hearing aids on for a while and removed their blinkers they might see a better why ahead.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by Frank

Sorry, but I disagree. Whoever it is should continue until the relevent people within ntl get off their butts and start communicating dates such as these and other important information. I mean ffs, how stupid are they? It can only be a good thing for ntl to get some positive publicity. It's how many days to August and where is the official communication?

No need to be sorry, I of all people agree with openness but not when it extends to just feeding the rumour mill, especially with somene who takes such delight in spreading the word.

There's quite enough of the rumour mill grinding to be had within the company without somene who appears to be fairly senior releasing info to someone like th'eng (he knew the dates of the tier uplift before I did....) In this case it's absolutely irrelevant and will just drop the morale of staff some more which does no body any favours apart from a little ego massaging.

Remember Russ i had the dates for the increase and you have known me more right than wrong in getting info first

I'm sure the 12,000 of us left really enjoy having this stuff rubbed in our faces, it's none of your bloody business this stuff stop obsessing about your cable company for God's sake it's ridiculous. When the service works be happy, when it doesn't you have the absolute right to know what has gone wrong, what goes on behind closed doors that doesn't concern you is none of your £^%$ÃƒÆ ’ƒâ€šÃ‚£% business.

Yes my comments are in no small part due to whomever the leaker is being rather nosey, and a lot better informed apparently about everything including my job and things surrounding it. Is wonderful I'm sure for the morale of all of the staff knowing that someone high up cares more about leaking to you than informing their own staff.

Escapee: I am rather bored of your sympathy, you left the company a while ago, stop painting the rest of us out as being depressed, overworked, etc. Some levels no doubt are but some are ok. Fact is NTL was heavily overweight of people compared to its' peers in the rest of the world, so redundancies and consolidation were an absolute necessity. Far too many sites with work spread over them.

The only thing I agree with you about is engineers on the ground at service tech and network level, I'd love to see more of them.

Anyway must go, I have a gun to my head and am being forced to work the last 24 hours of my 72 hour shift now.....

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

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Oh well you may be bored of me thats OK.

The one thing you agree with me about ie: network and service techs, is the very thing that management doesn't seem to agree on.

I do indeed have sympathy for people being treated badly, not a single month goes by without hearing of some new bad news from people in these departments. It's clear that management are trying to wipe these service and network technicians off the bottom of their shoes.

I also find it amazing that many people such as yourself who have stuck up for ntl in the past and had a go at criticising anyone like myself who gives a balanced but negative view about ntl and how they really operate in technical areas other than CS and Swansea support. Most of these previous posters who had never even worked in the departments that I describe have now fallen generally into 3 categories.

1: Redundant, bitter and not posting anymore.
2: Gone quiet because they have realised "they" are now being s**t on themselves.
3: Putting their tongue in their cheek and saying everything is great at ntl.

There are of course the few and far between ones that are happy, and the ones that are happy because they dont know any different. I can also accept that many employees feel it personal when an attack is made on their employer, as someone who took a bit of pride in his work I felt exactly the same. The big difference was among the service and network technicians in the area that I worked, I can never remember any of them saying ntl was a good company. if they were to be questioned publically they may give a different view though.

It's suprising what some managers used to say about the company after a few beers!

ntl will not alter, never.
Until management realise their problems are not just financial, things will loaf along on that same crest of Bulls**t that it has done for years.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Escapee

ntl will not alter, never.
Until management realise their problems are not just financial, things will loaf along on that same crest of Bulls**t that it has done for years.

I've been saying that for a very long time....

[Ignition]

I agree with some of what you say Escapee, while I disagree with your assessment of your own views as always balanced I agree with more of what you say than you realise...

[andygrif]

The problem faced by so many companies is one of pay, the disparity between directors and 'coal-face' employees and delivering results.

There is the headline that directors will be paid more, and I cannot say I am surprised. They have been tasked with improving results, lowering debt, increasing revenue. They have (to arguably varying degrees) suceeded in these goals.

The next problem faced is retaining quality senior management - I don't know any of the characters we're talking about, but as a customer there have been improvements (nowhere near like what I want to see, but improvements all the same).

You have to ask the question, could any other director (not working for ntl) do it better given the state (in my opinion) that the previous pair (Carter and Knapp) left it in? It's going to be a slow process, but if they are delivering results for then they should be rewarded.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by andygrif

The problem faced by so many companies is one of pay, the disparity between directors and 'coal-face' employees and delivering results.

There is the headline that directors will be paid more, and I cannot say I am surprised. They have been tasked with improving results, lowering debt, increasing revenue. They have (to arguably varying degrees) suceeded in these goals.

The next problem faced is retaining quality senior management - I don't know any of the characters we're talking about, but as a customer there have been improvements (nowhere near like what I want to see, but improvements all the same).

You have to ask the question, could any other director (not working for ntl) do it better given the state (in my opinion) that the previous pair (Carter and Knapp) left it in? It's going to be a slow process, but if they are delivering results for then they should be rewarded.

As a customer (not for long) my personal experience has been that things have not improved. After my recent fiasco with threats from a debt collection agency and customer care hanging up on my calls "Three" times, I have to say things are not an improvement from my experiences.
(Please note they didn't hang up because of abuse, just couldn't be bothered with another customer problem)

As an ex-employee, and someone who socialises with old collegues from ntl I must also say that things are on a downward spiral. the signs are that management have squeezed everything and cut employee numbers to a minimum to please the financial people. Management in certain departments are trying things in desperation to keep the bosses further up the ladder sweet.

I think customers and shareholders will only see the results of the short sighted actions in the long term, ntl should put effort into showing their employees they are a valued asset. I feel that for many its past this stage and they are already as cynical and negative about ntl as I was on leaving the company. Posters sometimes mention that its a long time since I left ntl, thats true but nothing positive has happened to the departments I was involved with since I left, all I hear about is the latest thing that management have done in what appears like an effort to p**s people off so they will leave on their own decision.