5/6 mpbs

Florence · 20-05-2004, 16:10

The news is out that telewest are considering the faster speeds of 5/6mpbs. The speeds are there it just takes management willing to use vision while managing the company.

To read more look here

I am sure there are plenty that would like the speeds.

paulyoung666 · 20-05-2004, 18:21

at a price though

could you really get the maximum benefit out of it in the real world

Chris W · 20-05-2004, 18:24

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

at a price though

could you really get the maximum benefit out of it in the real world

I agree with you... the biggest bandwidth use is with p2p software, and while people still have slow uploads (256k being the max residential i have seen offered in the uk) i don't see much point in increasing downstream like this. Ok, so people in other countries do have higher upload, but hardly any with connections as fast as 5mbps up. IMO until upstream is increased, i don't see much point in a substantial increas in downsteam, and because of the costs and logistics, i don't see the upstream increasing much in the near future.

paulyoung666 · 20-05-2004, 18:26

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Originally Posted by monkeybreath

I agree with you... the biggest bandwidth use is with p2p software, and while people still have slow uploads (256k being the max residential i have seen offered in the uk) i don't see much point in increasing downstream like this. Ok, so people in other countries do have higher upload, but hardly any with connections as fast as 5mbps up. IMO until upstream is increased, i don't see much point in a substantial increas in downsteam, and because of the costs and logistics, i don't see the upstream increasing much in the near future.

adsl is looking the way to go with higher u/l speeds

pity i cant get it

andrew_wallasey · 22-05-2004, 10:23

ADSL has been looking to go higher with u/l speed but I dont think it will happen because if they increased it to say 512/400 then there would be no point in paying all the extra for SDSL.

Chrysalis · 22-05-2004, 19:22

I could easily use up 5mbps burst, it depends if you have the sources to get stuff from, 10mbit and 100mbit ftp sites will provide that with ease, remember also 5mbit wouldn't needed to be used up in 1 download thread to be taken advantage of, eg. it could allow someone to watch a 1mbit video stream whilst downloading a file at 300kb/sec and browse all at once.

Chris W · 22-05-2004, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I could easily use up 5mbps burst, it depends if you have the sources to get stuff from, 10mbit and 100mbit ftp sites will provide that with ease, remember also 5mbit wouldn't needed to be used up in 1 download thread to be taken advantage of, eg. it could allow someone to watch a 1mbit video stream whilst downloading a file at 300kb/sec and browse all at once.

you could do all of the things... but you would need a good upload as well to do all three things.

JonathanLH · 23-05-2004, 00:57

apart from the logistics in actually supplying it to the customer, it would be great marketing...
even if the price is high, at least telewest would be able to say "we offer it, whereas ntl and most adsl companies don't"

Ignition · 23-05-2004, 17:59

Sorry to be a killjoy but

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Originally Posted by From that article

Five or 6Mbps is within our range," said Raube. "When there's desire for faster speeds we'll offer it."

Where is the news here? 5 / 6Mbps is within range of ADSL and cable right now. Being able to do it and wanting to are very different things. Also there's the small matter that Telewest's uBRs wouldn't appreciate the abuse - in Canada where 3 - 5Mbps is regular right up to 10Mbps for advanced users there are fair use policies and download of 80GB/month is considered a lot of data - the 250+GB/month that some members here pull on 1Mbps would not be tolerated. The guidelines are for one ISP 15GB/month on 5Mbit and 30GB/month on 10Mbit, that's total traffic up and downstream.

Can you imagine someone complaining that they've just been cut off for downloading 1000GB in a month on their 5Mbit? It would probably happen with things as they are at the moment - with a pay as you go or harder capping system this becomes more feasible, but while people will not tolerate absolute limits it's not really an option. For myself the idea of sharing a uBR with someone on 5Mbit/640kbit for example who is downloading constantly at 4Mbps and upping at 512k doesn't really appeal.

Same old dispute same old arguments, when the demand is there (remember uptake of 1,1.5 + 3Mbps services is a fraction of that of the lower tiers - Telewest have less than 5,000 customers (IIRC) of a base of half a million on 3Mbit) and either fair use or contention are more acceptable then mebbe we can have this chat again.

Chrysalis · 24-05-2004, 00:28

why would you need a good upload to do all those 3 things?

I can quite easily use a 10mbit worth of downstream whilst only uploading at approx 4kb/sec, so 6mbit would'nt suddenly need a lot more.

Chrysalis · 24-05-2004, 00:32

dont want to burst your bubble over canada but a friend of mine has just hopped from 1 isp where she had 8mbit down 1mbit up with no traffic limit for 65 canadian dollars a month and her new isp is 4mbit down 768kbit up again with no traffic limit for 50 canadian dollars a month. Its quite breathtaking when she sends files to me over the atlantic faster then what 90% of users in the uk can download at.

keithwalton · 24-05-2004, 01:10

I used 100mbit halls connection and i can certainly say its worth it. Certainly for downloading things in bursts. The speed on demand was great. If i wanted to download the latest game demo, or even when bored linux distro (and yes my pile of cd's can contest to that :p i've got about every distro going in various incarnations, what can i say i was bored)
Being able to download at 5meg/s + was really usefull. A cd image in just over two minutes was great.
The bandwidth certainly is there in the internet servers, yes alot of them were maxed out but rarely less than 1meg/s.

It's only human nature to want things now, and not wait for it to download. Websites with lots of images on them were a breeze at times the browser couldnt load the data fast enough.

I probably didnt use much more gigs a month then as i do now, (though not so many linux discs i must say but there still is some for those rainy days)
It being 100mbit full duplex was also nice, its the upload speed i miss most (on 2mbit / 256k adsl) as i could send pictures from my digicam to my mates across the halls in a blink of an eye (like i do now across the lan) and even to my other friends on adsl and such as i allways maxed them out rather than it walking along at 30k/s
If you ever get to try this sort of speed, (eg, ac network in the south of uk, as up north is abit slower for some reason) you will be amazed
K

Ignition · 24-05-2004, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

dont want to burst your bubble over canada but a friend of mine has just hopped from 1 isp where she had 8mbit down 1mbit up with no traffic limit for 65 canadian dollars a month and her new isp is 4mbit down 768kbit up again with no traffic limit for 50 canadian dollars a month. Its quite breathtaking when she sends files to me over the atlantic faster then what 90% of users in the uk can download at.

Who are these ISPs Chrysalis? The first I don't recognise at all, max DSL speed but could be a local cable co-operative mebbe?

The 2nd one again I've no idea about, maybe an LLU provider?

I'm off there myself so if you know something I don't spill

Ignition · 24-05-2004, 13:25

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Originally Posted by keithwalton

It's only human nature to want things now, and not wait for it to download.

If you ever get to try this sort of speed, (eg, ac network in the south of uk, as up north is abit slower for some reason) you will be amazed
K

Exactly Keith and thanks for that - the difference between even 10mbit and the current services is very clear, you begin to treat the internet as your LAN and rather than seeing the download button as a cue to wait just hit it and let the data flow.

Also I like your mention of not using much more than you used to even with a vastly faster connection - proof that just because you can download the entire Internet you don't.

Some of those pulling their 250+GB/month and moaning the services are too slow might want to take note of that.

poolking · 24-05-2004, 16:31

There is a canadian company based in Ontario called Rogers and are currently offering 5Mbit.

I am a member of a forum that discusses their services.