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Old 04-10-2013, 19:25   #721
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So what do you want to happen to the kids then?

I do agree with what you're saying but I don't have any answers to what happens when kids are involved, so what do you suggest?
Maybe the kids are put with foster parents in the short term untill the lazy gits who refuse to work get the picture. Your right its difficult but at the moment its a get out clause to allow lazy gits who refuse to work to still get everything given to them on a plate.
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Perhaps they can be used as surrogate wombs for those that can afford to bring up children. At least they might be some use to society.
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:29   #723
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I'm more inclined to say they should only pay for the 1st child only. But starting from X date and not for existing families. At least that would be a start and send out a warning.
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:30   #724
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So if I understand you correctly you want to deprive people of a pension they have contributed to all their life so that people who have contributed little or nothing get that money ,and you justify this because in your opinion they have enough .I have a modest private pension so does that mean you want to take my state pension away that I have paid all my life
I think it should be based on need.

I no longer receive child benefit, and to be honest I didn't need it so I wasn't bothered.

If my private pension pays out enough so that I don't need State pension as well, I'd also happily forgo that too.

I say if, as I can't predict the future.

Savings have to made, and this means and end to universal benefits across the board.

However, any government or prospective party would be mad to propose such a thing.
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I'm more inclined to say they should only pay for the 1st child only. But starting from X date and not for existing families. At least that would be a start and send out a warning.
Very good idea
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I'm more inclined to say they should only pay for the 1st child only. But starting from X date and not for existing families. At least that would be a start and send out a warning.
It would be a start.
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I agree but wider reform will only work if the benefits system shows it will not be 'blackmailed' into providing child related benefits for those who cynically, or otherwise, set about producing more and more children to secure housing and fund their lifestyles.
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So what do you want to happen to the kids then?

I do agree with what you're saying but I don't have any answers to what happens when kids are involved, so what do you suggest?
Hasn't the benefit cap sorted that out ,or at least made a step In the right direction

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I agree but wider reform will only work if the benefits system shows it will not be 'blackmailed' into providing child related benefits for those who cynically, or otherwise, set about producing more and more children to secure housing and fund their lifestyles.
That's exactly what it is ,blackmail ,to force the state to support them by means of the kids
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Hasn't the benefit cap sorted that out ,or at least made a step In the right direction

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That's exactly what it is ,blackmail ,to force the state to support them by means of the kids
Indeed they will get Benefits until there kids are 18 and for 15 miniets of fun. Not bad work if you can get it
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I've always said if your on benefit you shouldn't have any new kids and even sign a contract to say you understand that whilst on benefit you agree and understand that if you do have kids you won't get extra money. It is lunacy that children can be used by the cynical to extend their benefit and any reform that stops it is one i'd support. Trouble is our biggest problem with welfare is that all political parties want it there so they can misuse it when they want to massage figures and it's why none of them will ever reform to a practical standpoint.
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Indeed they will get Benefits until there kids are 18 and for 15 miniets of fun. Not bad work if you can get it
15 minutes??!!...
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Lets make one thing clear in regards to lazy gits who don't want to work and sit on their backside and claim benefit.

When l got made redundant four years ago, l did everything possible to get a job, BUT l needed a job that paid a salary to keep my family - approx 18/19 kg per year.

The jobs that were on offer were between 15/17 kg per year. I was not prepared to take a job that paid that amount. I was not lazy my benefit was 75.00 per week for my family and out of that that l had to pay rent and council tax.

I worked damn hard to find a job, sitting in my car and taking company details (which l still have today to remind myself) then go home and send emails and faxes to the companies.
I got more interviews that way then going through JS and all the government talk of getting work. I finally got my present job via my voluntary work.

Its ok for members to blast people at having the lack of courage to find work, but most of the work which may be out - does not pay enough.

Some members may say l work for 16 kg a year, good for you, but not everyone sits on there backside and claim benefit- which you are entitled too.
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I think the "community service" for your dole, will raise the crime rate in the UK by way of, if you commit a crime to make money. you get "community service" as a punishment.

so if you're doing "community service" anyway. then the thinking will be that they may as well turn to crime.
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.

Arthur hits the nail on the head there. People on benefits will refuse any job that doesn't pay enough. I'm realistic enough to realise that I won't be getting a position that pays 7 or 8 pound an hour for a 40 hour working week. I would be happy with minimum wage for 40 hours a week.

I remember once whilst waiting in the Jobcentre a man was sitting with his advisor and she was telling him he needed to apply for any job to make sure he didn't get sanctioned. He turned around and said he wouldn't work for anything less than 25,000 a year. This is without any qualifications or work experience. He said why should he work for less than that.

It is because of the attitudes of people like him that make companies go out and employ foreign labour.
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