The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Gary L]

I think the "community service" for your dole, will raise the crime rate in the UK by way of, if you commit a crime to make money. you get "community service" as a punishment.

so if you're doing "community service" anyway. then the thinking will be that they may as well turn to crime.

[MalteseFalcon]

Arthur hits the nail on the head there. People on benefits will refuse any job that doesn't pay enough. I'm realistic enough to realise that I won't be getting a position that pays 7 or 8 pound an hour for a 40 hour working week. I would be happy with minimum wage for 40 hours a week.

I remember once whilst waiting in the Jobcentre a man was sitting with his advisor and she was telling him he needed to apply for any job to make sure he didn't get sanctioned. He turned around and said he wouldn't work for anything less than £25,000 a year. This is without any qualifications or work experience. He said why should he work for less than that.

It is because of the attitudes of people like him that make companies go out and employ foreign labour.

[dilli-theclaw]

I wasn't put off low paid work I must say, what also gets me is those who won't do some jobs as they seem tinting they are 'beneath' them I started as a cleaner in a warehouse. I've always thought what's important is to be working as you'll find it easier to be on work and looking rather than not.

Having a conversation with the gaffer yesterday and i asked what had happened to a driver i had not seen for a few weeks ,turns out he's left to sign on so he can get a bigger house ,and have his mother living with him and his missus

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Having a conversation with the gaffer yesterday and i asked what had happened to a driver i had not seen for a few weeks ,turns out he's left to sign on so he can get a bigger house ,and have his mother living with him and his missus

I don't believe it.

why would anyone want their mother come and live with them?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Arthur hits the nail on the head there. People on benefits will refuse any job that doesn't pay enough. I'm realistic enough to realise that I won't be getting a position that pays 7 or 8 pound an hour for a 40 hour working week. I would be happy with minimum wage for 40 hours a week.

I remember once whilst waiting in the Jobcentre a man was sitting with his advisor and she was telling him he needed to apply for any job to make sure he didn't get sanctioned. He turned around and said he wouldn't work for anything less than £25,000 a year. This is without any qualifications or work experience. He said why should he work for less than that.

It is because of the attitudes of people like him that make companies go out and employ foreign labour.

I think you'll find it's the low wages they can get away with paying that makes them hire foreign workers, look at Holland, they don't have many economic migrants because they pay a living wage

Nothing good will come from demonising and alienating a section of society what we need to do is include everyone and get back to the days where if you could work you felt obligated to work. We've lost that and the economic and social cost has been enormous what more proof is needed for the whole demonising doesn't work. That said there is no point instilling a good work ethic in those people for whom there isn't a job and the sad reality is we still have far more people out of work then there are vacancy's for them to apply for it simply cannot be written off as "lazy people".

We also need to make sure that we as a society don't let lousy politicians lead us into a cynical round of divide and conquer because that doesn't aid any of us it merely allows them to get off free for their failures. We do have problems in welfare that isn't up for debate the problems exist and we have a tiny minority who take any chance to abuse the system and they must be dealt with specifically not a wide brush approach that we currently have because it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Nothing good will come from demonising and alienating a section of society what we need to do is include everyone and get back to the days where if you could work you felt obligated to work. We've lost that and the economic and social cost has been enormous what more proof is needed for the whole demonising doesn't work. That said there is no point instilling a good work ethic in those people for whom there isn't a job and the sad reality is we still have far more people out of work then there are vacancy's for them to apply for it simply cannot be written off as "lazy people".

We also need to make sure that we as a society don't let lousy politicians lead us into a cynical round of divide and conquer because that doesn't aid any of us it merely allows them to get off free for their failures. We do have problems in welfare that isn't up for debate the problems exist and we have a tiny minority who take any chance to abuse the system and they must be dealt with specifically not a wide brush approach that we currently have because it doesn't work.

we need to train the long term unemployed not exploit them. Collage courses plumbing brickwork carpentry practical courses that give them a chance to better themselves and as long as they apply themselves and turn up they should be able to keep dole. ( I know its a repeat but this thread is all repeats just like Dave)

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

So another baby factory gets state largesse showered on them.

they will be screwed come universal credit

[TheDaddy]

Seriously wtf is going on

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8872496.html

Government going to dismiss this to as people just after a free meal

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

So another baby factory gets state largesse showered on them.

He's got 'rights' you see. The right to exist free from responsibility to those who fund his selfish lifestyle...

Rights have been doled out like confetti. Pity more of them haven't been linked to responsibilities.

[Gary L]

A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said there was “no robust evidence that welfare reforms are linked to increased use of food banks”

We are now officially down in the books as a third world country.

when people come and see the queen, we can ask them if they can spare 3p.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Seriously wtf is going on

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8872496.html

Government going to dismiss this to as people just after a free meal

this might just cover the rise in energy bills.

This is where we really need a mixed market economy. People will die if we have a cold winter and its all down to greedy shareholders and uncaring profiteering companies

---------- Post added at 08:56 ---------- Previous post was at 08:54 ----------

Originally Posted by Osem

He's got 'rights' you see. The right to exist free from responsibility to those who fund his selfish lifestyle...

Rights have been doled out like confetti. Pity more of them haven't been linked to responsibilities.

It is not so much him who has the right to live but the kids. He is abusing the fact you can not leave kids destitute.

An alternative would be a law for unemployed and a maximum number of children or a criminal offence is committed but would anyone support something like that .

I do of course hope the Universal credit nips this in the bud and totally leaves people like this in the crap. It is about the only possible good thing about UC

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

they will be screwed come universal credit

no they wont , the article mentions at least one person getting dla which means there will be no benefit cap under universal credit.

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

no they wont , the article mentions at least one person getting dla which means there will be no benefit cap under universal credit.

I did not know that. Poo one so UC is a total disaster after all then. I wonder if his wife is a cousin