Partygate & Beergate discussion

Originally Posted by Damien

He said guidelines were followed, not simply that he followed them.

Anyway. David Davis has just said on Farage, all depends on the Privileges Committee who could decide regardless of what MET Police or Sue Gray report says, that he mislead Parliament.

[jfman]

Cummings will have more allies in No. 10 than Johnson has with his scorched earth policy of saving his own skin at any expense. If not the source of the leak, Dom will almost certainly know who the most likely candidates are. Depending on who Johnson’s successor is - he may also be fairly well connected enough to ensure his sources survive the transition.

Dom may be out, but he defo has more to offer some of the candidates for leadership of the Conservative Party.

Originally Posted by jfman

Cummings will have more allies in No. 10 than Johnson has with his scorched earth policy of saving his own skin at any expense. If not the source of the leak, Dom will almost certainly know who the most likely candidates are. Depending on who Johnson’s successor is - he may also be fairly well connected enough to ensure his sources survive the transition.

Dom may be out, but he defo has more to offer some of the candidates for leadership of the Conservative Party.

I don’t think so.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Cummings will have more allies in No. 10 than Johnson has with his scorched earth policy of saving his own skin at any expense. If not the source of the leak, Dom will almost certainly know who the most likely candidates are. Depending on who Johnson’s successor is - he may also be fairly well connected enough to ensure his sources survive the transition.

Dom may be out, but he defo has more to offer some of the candidates for leadership of the Conservative Party.

If any civil servants were wavering about sharing snaps of Partygate, as well as the valid reason you outlined, the following would prod them in that direction as well:

• Looming cuts of 90,000 staff.
• Those cuts being leaked to a tabloid before informing staff.
• JRM's passive-aggressive sniping at civil servants working from home.

[1andrew1]

The Times is reporting Johnson pressured Sue Gray to drop her report in the meeting: https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status...47678553169922

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, maybe, if he just came in and raised a glass then I can see why he wasn't fined. I don't really know the details here and I assume the Met police do.

I think the main problem for him is the statement he gave in Parliament saying all rules were followed when here it's clear they were not. Johnson can escape a fine if he wasn't really there for long but it's clear this was a social event unless he really is pretty bloody stupid.

A farewell speech to a colleague clearly counts as a work event.

Some of those present clearly took it too far.

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Originally Posted by Damien

He said guidelines were followed, not simply that he followed them.

He said he was told that all the guidelines were followed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

He said he was told that all the guidelines were followed.

Old Boy, let's debate on the basis of what Johnson actually said as oppose to what you or I wished he had said.

1.20: What I can tell the right honourable gentleman is that...is that all guidance was followed completely during number 10.
1.28: I can tell you that the guidelines were followed at all times
1.34: I have satisfied myself that the guidelines were followed at all times

Scroll down to the video at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61081386

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A farewell speech to a colleague clearly counts as a work event.

Some of those present clearly took it too far.

Important post below from Lewis Goodall referencing the four ITV photos from 13 November 2020. The Metropolitan Police have fined some attendees on this date, making it an illegal party.

On 8th December 2021 Catherine West asked Boris Johnson in the Commons “whether there was a party in Downing St on 13th Nov?”

PM: “No. But but I’m sure whatever happened the guidance... and the rules were followed at all times.”

Clip here. For the Prime Minister not to have misled MPs he would again have to argue that he believed that what he attended in the picture was not a “party”. This question now likely to be central in the days ahead.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...62197840633857