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Dave42 · 23-05-2022, 17:43

OLD BOY · 23-05-2022, 17:57

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

As per the ITV story, it was Lee Cain's leaving do - which others at the same event have got a FPN for.

Probably because they stayed too long and made it into a party.

**Damien** · 23-05-2022, 18:24

Actually, on reflection, I think this isn't good for Starmer. People are asking the Met why they didn't fine Boris Johnson for this, leaving Durham Police looking on hoping they don't get the same. Although it depends on the extent of the drinking at 'Beergate' as this picture is more damning than the one of Starmer but we don't know what else the Met knew about this event or what Durham know about that event.

**Mick** · 23-05-2022, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Damien

Actually, on reflection, I think this isn't good for Starmer. People are asking the Met why they didn't fine Boris Johnson for this, leaving Durham Police looking on hoping they don't get the same. Although it depends on the extent of the drinking at 'Beergate' as this picture is more damning than the one of Starmer but we don't know what else the Met knew about this event or what Durham know about that event.

The still images lack proper context, the MET Police have clearly seen them, so why no fine?

It sure looks like a quick toast to a departing colleague. The police would have sent questionnaires and got testimonials on this event. All statements and answers will have been cross examined for any discrepancies. So all depends what the other 7 people said in theirs, as to why they didn’t see fit to fine PM.

**Damien** · 23-05-2022, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Mick

The still images lack proper context, the MET Police have clearly seen them, so why no fine?

It sure looks like a quick toast to a departing colleague. The police would have sent questionnaires and got testimonials on this event. All statements and answers will have been cross examined for any discrepancies. So all depends what the other 7 people said in theirs, as to why they didn’t see fit to fine PM.

Yes, maybe, if he just came in and raised a glass then I can see why he wasn't fined. I don't really know the details here and I assume the Met police do.

I think the main problem for him is the statement he gave in Parliament saying all rules were followed when here it's clear they were not. Johnson can escape a fine if he wasn't really there for long but it's clear this was a social event unless he really is pretty bloody stupid.

jfman · 23-05-2022, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Damien

is pretty bloody stupid.

Known round here as the “OB defence”.

**Mick** · 23-05-2022, 18:56

Dom Cummings is spitting feathers on Twitter right now. Feels his former boss, should’ve been fined.

The source of the leaked pics?

Dave42 · 23-05-2022, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Mick

Dom Cummings is spitting feathers on Twitter right now. Feels his former boss, should’ve been fined.

The source of the leaked pics?

Cummins would surely be number one suspect for leak

1andrew1 · 23-05-2022, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Mick

Dom Cummings is spitting feathers on Twitter right now. Feels his former boss, should’ve been fined.

The source of the leaked pics?

Cummings said it was likely that junior civil servants who attended events and got fined when Johnson did would be likely to leak some pictures this week.

Well, this has happened. Cummings' theory has merit unless it's a cunning ruse!

peanut · 23-05-2022, 19:12

The main problem is that he said 'all guidelines were followed' to parliament so he lied. I can't see how he can get out of that one with those evidential photos.

1andrew1 · 23-05-2022, 19:14

Does the Forum think that Johnson knew that rule-breaking took place at No 10 when he made his statement to Parliament stating otherwise?

**Damien** · 23-05-2022, 19:15

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Originally Posted by peanut

The main problem is that he said 'all guidelines were followed' to parliament so he lied. I can't see how he can get out of that one with those evidential photos.

Because he and his supporters will claim he thought the guidelines were followed.

**Mick** · 23-05-2022, 19:15

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Originally Posted by peanut

The main problem is that he said 'all guidelines were followed' to parliament so he lied. I can't see how he can get out of that one with those evidential photos.

He has not been fined for this event so he could say he meant, he followed the guidelines.

**Damien** · 23-05-2022, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Mick

He has not been fined for this event so he could say he meant, he followed the guidelines.

He said guidelines were followed, not simply that he followed them.

1andrew1 · 23-05-2022, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Mick

Johnson isn’t going anywhere, regardless of what strategy Daily Mail deploys. Tory MPs moment to oust this PM, is gone.

Every day, Conservative MPs can give Johnson the boot so he can spend more time with his young family and write the Shakespeare biography he's been paid to write.

I think the latest this will happen would be after the two by elections in July. Given the nature of why those by-elections occurred, the Conservatives are unlikely to win them.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Because he and his supporters will claim he thought the guidelines were followed.

How can you prove he knew the guidelines weren't being followed without a recording of Johnson saying words to this effect or witnesses saying he did? This could get interesting if he trys to fire people.

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Not fined, not guilty.

Johnson wishes!