Madeleine McCann - Page 99

17-09-2007, 17:15

Your right definately i would also put the playstation up there for the lack of imagination when i was a kid a wood was a place for many many hours of entertainemnt nowadays kids come home switch on the tele or the playstation and wollah life drains away. Thats the part of this that is so heartbreaking the thought that a little girl won't have the chance of all that or anything else although some people myself included are not always as good at communicating that as they are at criticising.

Xaccers · 17-09-2007, 17:18

I had a freind in my early teens who'd phone up to see if you fancied doing something, I'd get round there and he'd be on his console, wouldn't share, as though all he wanted was an audience.

**Hugh** · 17-09-2007, 17:56

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

They didn't say that at the start. But then they have had PR management from very early on to 'assist' them. A month or so ago is a far cry from their original thoughts.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So why didn't they from the start why did they ever say they were blameless.

Never let facts get in the way.........

May 26th 2007 'The Guilt Will Never Leave Us'
""I think it's fair to say that the guilt that we feel, having not been there at that moment - irrespective of whether we had been in the other bedroom or not - will never leave us."
Kate said they blamed themselves for the disappearance in the early stages."

peanut · 17-09-2007, 18:01

Could it be that it took them 3 weeks to change their story to suit their public campaign?

Pierre · 17-09-2007, 18:02

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

They didn't say that at the start. But then they have had PR management from very early on to 'assist' them. A month or so ago is a far cry from their original thoughts.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So why didn't they from the start why did they ever say they were blameless.

All we need now is few a more of you, enough to make a mob. We'll light some torches grab some pitchforks and have ourselves a good old hangin'

What do you say?........

peanut · 17-09-2007, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Pierre

All we need now is few a more of you, enough to make a mob. We'll light some torches grab some pitchforks and have ourselves a good old hangin'

What do you say?........

What are you saying? That there are people saying they DID have something to do with her disappearance? Are we talking about the neglective parents? Hearsay? Media? Specific articles that cancel out everything since day one??

Would you like me to copy paste my thoughts from #1412

What exactly are we debating here?

**Hugh** · 17-09-2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

What are you saying? That there are people saying they DID have something to do with her disappearance? Are we talking about the neglective parents? Hearsay? Media? Specific articles that cancel out everything since day one??

Would you like me to copy paste my thoughts from #1412

What exactly are we debating here?

What about your thoughts from post #1121, or were you just hypothesising?

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

Well, just imagine that they did, they couldn't risk getting found out that they did something stupid like sedating them so they can go out for a meal, and then suppose something tragic happened. They couldn't call the emergency services, how would it look if it got found out they sedated their own kids, and one died because of it. They'd lose the other 2 for sure, be struck off, prison etc, their lives would be over. Or.............................

Who knows.
Fact you say, can you show us the evidence that it was maddie carried away?

It appears from your posts if they had stated they were sorry two days after the child had disappeared, you would say why didn't they say it the first night.....

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

They didn't say that at the start. But then they have had PR management from very early on to 'assist' them. A month or so ago is a far cry from their original thoughts.

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

Could it be that it took them 3 weeks to change their story to suit their public campaign?

The three weeks was the time it took for the first TV interviews (as it said in the link).

17-09-2007, 19:02

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

You mean like this - BBC
"Mrs McCann has expressed her regret at leaving her children alone in their holiday apartment while she and her husband Gerry had dinner within the Ocean Club complex on the night Madeleine disappeared.
"We are just so desperately sorry. Every hour now, I still question, 'Why did I think that was safe?'," she said."

Or this
"Kate McCann said in interviews published Sunday in Britain that she is haunted with guilt over leaving the girl alone while she and her husband went to dinner ."

I have already seen that BBC item, but nowhere are there any quotes from the McCanns saying they accept any responsibility. Expressing regret or feeling sorry isn't the same as accepting responsibility.

btw, just for completeness that second quote should read:- "Kate McCann said in interviews published Sunday in Britain that she is haunted with guilt over leaving the girl alone while she and her husband went to dinner — a decision has raised questions in Britain and abroad."

**Hugh** · 17-09-2007, 19:07

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Originally Posted by XFS03

I have already seen that BBC item, but nowhere are there any quotes from the McCanns saying they accept any responsibility. Expressing regret or feeling sorry isn't the same as accepting responsibility.

So the McCanns saying things like ""We are just so desperately sorry. Every hour now, I still question, 'Why did I think that was safe?'" or "haunted with guilt over leaving the girl alone" isn't accepting responsibility?

Strange - I was brought up to believe you said sorry because you had done something wrong, and accepted what you had done was wrong; isn't that accepting responsibility?

17-09-2007, 19:14

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Never let facts get in the way.........

May 26th 2007 'The Guilt Will Never Leave Us'
""I think it's fair to say that the guilt that we feel, having not been there at that moment - irrespective of whether we had been in the other bedroom or not - will never leave us."
Kate said they blamed themselves for the disappearance in the early stages."

Again no expression of responsibility. Actually that article also says:- "Kate said: "At worst we were naive. We are very responsible parents""

SMHarman · 17-09-2007, 19:17

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I am not saying the world is a better place xaccers i wish i could feel comfortable letting my kids have the freedoms i had when i was a kid. I guess thats the joy of a media that revels in the dark side of life it does make you paranoid to a point and over protective and i am guilty of both of those.

But the world has not become any less safe it is just as parents we percieve it to be (I'm pretty sure the statistics bear this out but don't have time to find any now) and as the times article points out we have competitive parenting resulting in the situation of who can be the most overprotective parent.

An interesting decade old story from here in NY
http://www.cnn.com/US/9705/14/denmark.parents/ (wow CNN had online stories back in 1997)
and a comment on that.
http://www.justmorons.com/articles/day040114.html
Cultural differences on how we parent can be significant.

peanut · 17-09-2007, 19:30

Foreverwar, I don't have the answers, I don't have everything presented in front of me, laid out in a such a way that the answers flow so easy to me, sorry about that.

I don't like your tone that mostly all you do is argue the case rather than adding your own thoughts. To me that's very easy to do. Is it points that you are trying to score from certain people?

No one here is saying that the parents are to blame for the disappearance of the girl (yet, maybe, or never), but there are people are saying they do have something to answer to/for.

If people can say the parents ARE innocent, then as equal as that they can be guilty (as of this moment in time). To say one way or the other and say that is 'FACT', now that is opinionated, prejudice and pointless and not worth the paper it's printed on.

17-09-2007, 19:53

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

So the McCanns saying things like ""We are just so desperately sorry. Every hour now, I still question, 'Why did I think that was safe?'" or "haunted with guilt over leaving the girl alone" isn't accepting responsibility?

Strange - I was brought up to believe you said sorry because you had done something wrong, and accepted what you had done was wrong; isn't that accepting responsibility?

I suppose it depends on how you want to interpret it.

It would seem strange, though, that they would imply, in a roundabout way, that they were partially responsible, while at the same time telling us (in all 3 TV interviews, I think) that they were "very responsible" parents. Bit of a contradiction.

Also, I note from one of your earlier quotes "Kate said they blamed themselves for the disappearance in the early stages." So any responsibility they did feel soon wore off.

bringerofnoise · 17-09-2007, 20:11

I feel for madeleine because no matter what anyone says she has suffered through the absolute stupidity of her own parents.

dinner/goodtime is ALWAYS<your children.

Edit:When this first happened it was a case of i hope they catch the people who took her and find her alive, because everyone knows what the world is like in this day and age *shakin me head* you just would never leave your children alone like that *dumb founded*

slug · 17-09-2007, 20:12

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

Foreverwar, I don't have the answers, I don't have everything presented in front of me, laid out in a such a way that the answers flow so easy to me, sorry about that.

I don't like your tone that mostly all you do is argue the case rather than adding your own thoughts. To me that's very easy to do. Is it points that you are trying to score from certain people?

No one here is saying that the parents are to blame for the disappearance of the girl (yet, maybe, or never), but there are people are saying they do have something to answer to/for.

If people can say the parents ARE innocent, then as equal as that they can be guilty (as of this moment in time). To say one way or the other and say that is 'FACT', now that is opinionated, prejudice and pointless and not worth the paper it's printed on.

Well said. Some people just cant except that other people might not agree with their opinion. It must make their lives very difficult.