Madeleine McCann - Page 92

17-09-2007, 04:19

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Zeph, How would you like them to feel, l as a parent would not like to go through, what they have gone through, and still going through hell, as Maddie is still missing, and for once l applaud what Sir Richard Branson is doing by donating Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£100.000 to a fund to help the McCanns legal fight, all round the world, children go missing each day, wether or not they go of there own accord or they are abducted, there should be an organisation which is set up and is WELL PUBLICISED, FREE TV/MEDIA, to get children back to there loved ones, l know there are organisations out there that depend on charities, but to me this is not good enough, and l trust and hope that with the Maddie situation. this now takes paramount importance, and maybe Virgin / Sky / BBC / ITV will allow FREE say Half and hour airtime for a programme, for this sort of programme.

While i believe no one should have to go through what they and many other parents are/have gone through.

It is their fault through neglegence so i honestly do not feel sorry for them at all.

I have no respect for parents who neglect their act then act innocent when something happens, they brought it on themself's.

I really feel sorry for the young girl however, as she really was the innocent one in all this.

mrmistoffelees · 17-09-2007, 09:25

This is a very long read, but' it's very interesting. I also feel a bit guilty now

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2459924.ece

Saaf_laandon_mo · 17-09-2007, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Osem

Yes but they'll have done that in respect of the McCanns leaving their young children unattended in a manner many people deem neglectful. Whatever else has gone on in this sad case, they are guilty of that.

If any of the friends they were holidaying with at the time left their childrwen in similar circumstances I'd argue they have a case to answer also.

My neighbour has a huge great dane. She never takes it for walks and lets it run around in the garden. There are lots of times she goes out leaving the dog alone in the house and I can hear it running around, and then smashing its huge frame against the wall. I reported her to the RSPCA for negligence and they subsequently let me know that I had done the right thing as the dog was not being looked after properly.

If any of my neighbours were leaving their kids alone frequently while they were offf wining and dining, I'd have no problems calling Social services then either. The problem in this case is that some people's judgement has been clouded by the fact shes gone missing and that 'the parents have suffered enough'. They, if not guilty of anything else, are guilty of child neglicence, and as a result its too right that social services should be investigating them.

**Hugh** · 17-09-2007, 09:34

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

This is a very long read, but' it's very interesting. I also feel a bit guilty now

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2459924.ece

This part sums it up (imho), and is reflected in this (and other) forum(s).
"with opinion dividing into people who see leaving a child as stupid, but not the world’s greatest crime – such people are broadly sympathetic to the McCanns – and people who find it inexcusable, criminal and indicative of all sorts of dark possibilities."

I believe they (and the other couples) were negligent in leaving the children unattended in the way they did, but have not seen anything that convinces me that they killed their daughter, or deserve to be pilloried and slandered by innuendo this way - I understand that others may disagree, and that is their (and my) privilege.

Another article, which tries to separate fact from speculation
Never mind the facts, this is show-business
"Big Brother and the McCann case are treated by the media in roughly the same fashion"

"You wouldn't know it, but almost nothing new has been said officially about the case, either by the Portuguese police or by the forensic science service in Britain. The facts are: the McCanns were questioned last week, a file has gone to the prosecutor, the British have analysed evidence from the site of the disappearance and sent some results to Portugal. Nearly everything else - the hair in the car, the investigations in the local church, the demands for Cuddle Cat, the diary contents and so on - is speculation, based on unnamed sources. Even the precise meaning of "arguido/a" is unclear."

**Chris** · 17-09-2007, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

My neighbour has a huge great dane. She never takes it for walks and lets it run around in the garden. There are lots of times she goes out leaving the dog alone in the house and I can hear it running around, and then smashing its huge frame against the wall. I reported her to the RSPCA for negligence and they subsequently let me know that I had done the right thing as the dog was not being looked after properly.

If any of my neighbours were leaving their kids alone frequently while they were offf wining and dining, I'd have no problems calling Social services then either. The problem in this case is that some people's judgement has been clouded by the fact shes gone missing and that 'the parents have suffered enough'. They, if not guilty of anything else, are guilty of child neglicence, and as a result its too right that social services should be investigating them.

Have you read the article Mrmistoff linked to?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

This is a very long read, but' it's very interesting. I also feel a bit guilty now

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2459924.ece

It's a superb read, and I think everyone who has contributed anything to this thread should read every last word of it.

Pierre · 17-09-2007, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Chris T

It's a superb read, and I think everyone who has contributed anything to this thread should read every last word of it.

I couldn't agree more with it, and there are plenty of "guilty" people on this forum.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

TheDaddy · 17-09-2007, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Or a witch hunt, some people should remember what goes around, comes around

peanut · 17-09-2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or a witch hunt, some people should remember what goes around, comes around

Unless you get the best lawyer in the country etc.

**Chris** · 17-09-2007, 10:31

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

Unless you get the best lawyer in the country etc.

As if by magic.

Did you read the article then?

peanut · 17-09-2007, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Chris T

As if by magic.

Did you read the article then?

Yes I did. I liked her opinions, but I still have mine.

Osem · 17-09-2007, 10:41

Read most of the article - it doesn't add much to the debate from where I'm sitting tbh. There are always people with extreme views about everything. There are people who shoot/stab others because they dared to look at them FGS! There are people who'd happily kill/maim others simply because of where they work! Of course extreme minority views tend to get noticed and reported far more than the rest don't they. There's no news in moderation and empathy is there!

Nearly everyone I've chatted to about this story has said the same thing - they sympathise greatly with the McCanns and of course the little girl but still find it hard to understand why they chose to leave their children alone in those circumstances. I don't think that's an extreme view or even a callous one. Furthermore, having that view doesn't preclude anyone from hoping desperately that this story has a happy ending.

TheDaddy · 17-09-2007, 10:43

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

Unless you get the best lawyer in the country etc.

So the best lawyer in the country is going to get involved with faceless people, gossiping on the internet? Cant see it myself

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Originally Posted by Osem

Read most of the article - it doesn't add much to the debate from where I'm sitting tbh.

Neither has most of whats been written here

peanut · 17-09-2007, 10:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So the best lawyer in the country is going to get involved with faceless people, gossiping on the internet?

Wow, that's intelligent. You can't make the connection yourself? Would you like me to simplify it just for you?

SOSAGES · 17-09-2007, 10:46

hush child..play nicely with the others.

Osem · 17-09-2007, 10:51

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Neither has most of whats been written here

True but one of the things which separates humans from the rest is our need to communicate, discuss, express opinions etc - that is how we learn and develop. There's nothing wrong with debating any of this sensibly and the fact that some people will become aggressive and even irrational about it is inevitable sadly.