16-09-2007, 19:47
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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Plus the fact she seems to have simply vanished? I can't remember the last time I heard a story of a kidnapped child who was not heard of again.
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A little boy was kidnapped in Cos a few yeas ago.
Also a girl disapeared in Portugal years before Maddie
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16-09-2007, 21:27
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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A little boy was kidnapped in Cos a few yeas ago.
Also a girl disapeared in Portugal years before Maddie
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Choose UK and 10 years (children missing in the last 10 years, and still missing) - it comes up with 88.
Heartbreaking.
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16-09-2007, 21:36
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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When or if the parents are proven inoccent i hope the pitchfork holders feel horrible and rot in a big pile of foot and mouth cow pats  |
And if the opposite is found true?
I do not have an opinion on if they are guilty of the death/disappearance of Maddie . Will wait till then conclusion
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16-09-2007, 21:39
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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And if the opposite is found true?
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I am sure the nay-sayers will have great joy in pointing it out. 
I don't know if it was them or not, but I am, still, a great believer in " innocent until proven guilty" - must be the lefty liberal wet commie do-gooder in me........ 
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16-09-2007, 21:42
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
I said when or if ,, how can there be an opposite ?
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16-09-2007, 21:43
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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I said when or if ,, how can there be an opposite ?
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well the opposite to the pitchfork holders maybe eating a lorry load of humble pie maybe?
Ive never liked the parents guilty or innocent of any crime my feelings towards them has been constant.IMO they were always guilty of negligence.I do not know if they are also guilty of manslaughter/murder I will let the law and the police prove that or not
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16-09-2007, 22:02
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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I am sure the nay-sayers will have great joy in pointing it out.
I don't know if it was them or not, but I am, still, a great believer in " innocent until proven guilty" - must be the lefty liberal wet commie do-gooder in me........ |
Yes I agree "innocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the law.
Its the lefty liberal wet commie do-gooder in you that has a problem with people expressing an opinion.
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16-09-2007, 22:33
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
Hi Zeph, How would you like them to feel, l as a parent would not like to go through, what they have gone through, and still going through hell, as Maddie is still missing, and for once l applaud what Sir Richard Branson is doing by donating £100.000 to a fund to help the McCanns legal fight, all round the world, children go missing each day, wether or not they go of there own accord or they are abducted, there should be an organisation which is set up and is WELL PUBLICISED, FREE TV/MEDIA, to get children back to there loved ones, l know there are organisations out there that depend on charities, but to me this is not good enough, and l trust and hope that with the Maddie situation. this now takes paramount importance, and maybe Virgin / Sky / BBC / ITV will allow FREE say Half and hour airtime for a programme, for this sort of programme. 
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16-09-2007, 22:43
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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They are innocent, as they have not been proven guilty...
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They are not innocent or guilty, they are presumed innocent.
Why is Branson convinced they are innocent? Does he know something we don't?
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...From your link:
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It will help to ensure that they get a fair hearing and that all of the facts become available.
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Very philanthropic of him I'm sure. So as I said in my earlier post, how many other innocent people has he helped? Ian Huntley? Harold Shipman? Doesn't everbody, no matter who they are, deserve a fair hearing?
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16-09-2007, 23:06
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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They are not innocent or guilty, they are presumed innocent......
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Didn't several thousand people sign a petition demanding that social services investigate the McCann's ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/6740315.stm)? Doesn't sound like a presumption of innocence to me!
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...how many other innocent people has he helped? Ian Huntley? Harold Shipman? Doesn't everbody, no matter who they are, deserve a fair hearing?
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Both examples had a fair hearing, with the vast majority of the facts published during and after the trial. The way the McCann's are being treated can hardly be called a fair hearing.
As for Sir Richard's motives for giving the money, I have no idea. The fact that he might be spending his money selectively shouldn't matter.
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16-09-2007, 23:21
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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What about all of their friends they were with? They all did the same with their own kids so why shouldn't they be investigated too?
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16-09-2007, 23:33
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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Yes but they'll have done that in respect of the McCanns leaving their young children unattended in a manner many people deem neglectful. Whatever else has gone on in this sad case, they are guilty of that.
If any of the friends they were holidaying with at the time left their childrwen in similar circumstances I'd argue they have a case to answer also.
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16-09-2007, 23:38
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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A little boy was kidnapped in Cos a few yeas ago.
Also a girl disapeared in Portugal years before Maddie
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Clearly I didn't say it's never happened, just that I couldn't remember the last time I heard anything like it.
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17-09-2007, 00:11
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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But people are supposed to report suspicions of child abuse... Its upto Social Services to determine their guilt/innocence?
You/the article even said invesitgated no prosecuted.
Not that I disagree with what you're saying about people generally, but in that case I think its a bit harsh.
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17-09-2007, 01:50
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Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
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By their own admission, they left 3 children under 4 year old alone, in an unlocked, ground floor apartment in a public road. An apartment which they couldn't see from the bar. Quite right (IMO) that social services should investigate.
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...Both examples had a fair hearing, with the vast majority of the facts published during and after the trial. The way the McCann's are being treated can hardly be called a fair hearing...
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I agree that the constant "leaks" in the press is turning this issue into a farce, and is deplorable. The problem is, the damage has already been done, and I can't see how throwing money at it (Branson wants to raise a million pounds) will make the trial any fairer.
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