The real reason Tivo is £149.............

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by clinteastman

My cable box is in a cabinet by it's self with an open back and vents down the side and brushless large diameter fans in the bottom. It's designed for high end AV racks and is quite capable of cooling that and more, it's not a problem.

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LG do a 15inch OLED TV for about £1,500.

You would have a hard time finding an LED TV for £10,000.

You can get a Sony KDL-60LX903 60" LED 3D TV for about £3,500 at the moment, very nice TV.

That tv is only LED backlite.

The truth is at the moment you cant buy a comercially availible LED tv and its would be mega costly.

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by Marcus125

That tv is only LED backlite.

But that's what we're talking about, your not going to fit a HD res LED matrix in your front room!

Show me what your talking about because I would be quite interested in seeing an LED domestic setup, I hope you prove me wrong as I'm now intrigued.

[davidthornton]

Originally Posted by clinteastman

My cable box is in a cabinet by it's self with an open back and vents down the side and brushless large diameter fans in the bottom. It's designed for high end AV racks and is quite capable of cooling that and more, it's not a problem.

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LG do a 15inch OLED TV for about £1,500.

You would have a hard time finding an LED TV for £10,000.

You can get a Sony KDL-60LX903 60" LED 3D TV for about £3,500 at the moment, very nice TV.

Perhaps there's some mixing up going on between LED enhanced LCD's and true OLED TV's I'd imagine, but am happy to be proven wrong, that a large true OLED TV might be up there nearer 5 figures.

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by clinteastman

But that's what we're talking about, your not going to fit a HD res LED matrix in your front room!

Show me what your talking about because I would be quite interested in seeing an LED domestic setup, I hope you prove me wrong as I'm now intrigued.

I never said anything about a LED domestic setup. I was just pointing out that £800 does not get you a high quality LED tv. It buys a lower end LED backlit LCD.

You then post the Sony declaring that was LED but it was the same as the first TV that was mention just 3D with a bigger panel. Yet you linked to it indicating it was in some way different to the first backlit tv mentioned.

I'm now intrigued as to why you posted the link to a Sony declaring it to be a LED?

[davidthornton]

Originally Posted by Marcus125

There is no need for a closed tv cabinet these days. If you're putting your AV equipment in a closed cabinet you will get high fail rates.

However nice looking your A/V gear is, it's still unsightly to look at in certain surroundings hence preferable to hide away. Maybe it's just me but I find most electronic boxes rather unsightly to look at, regardless of how expensive they are, so prefer to hide them out of sight. I know there are better cable management systems available these days but they still look a mess to me. I used to have A/V gear in three different rooms more "out on display" but have gradually bought, or had made, storage units to put it out of sight. (shall I say the same thing again, with yet another sentence? )

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Originally Posted by Marcus125

I'm now intrigued as to why you posted the link to a Sony declaring it to be a LED?

Maybe he didn't fully realise?

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by davidthornton

Perhaps there's some mixing up going on between LED enhanced LCD's and true OLED TV's I'd imagine, but am happy to be proven wrong, that a large true OLED TV might be up there nearer 5 figures.

There are 3 technolages being discused:
LED backlit LCD
LED Matrix
OLED (Largest domestic OLED TV will be a 31inch LG in March for about £6000)

Originally Posted by Marcus125

I never said anything about a LED domestic setup. I was just pointing out that £800 does not get you a high quality LED tv. It buys a lower end LED backlit LCD.

You then post the Sony declaring that was LED but it was the same as the first TV that was mention just 3D with a bigger panel. Yet you linked to it indicating it was in some way different to the first backlit tv mentioned.

I'm now intrigued as to why you posted the link to a Sony declaring it to be a LED?

We where talking about LED backlit TV's, why would Big-Ted be talking about having a LED Matrix setup in his front room? You said your TV was an "LCD backlit LED" which doesn't actually make sense but it's obvious what you ment just like it was obvious what Big-Ted ment when he said "LED backlit not LCD".

[Stephen]

Can we please get back on topic. Thanks

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by davidthornton

.. Maybe he didn't fully realise?

I fully realise.

[PhlangePhace]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Watch the video, it will educate you on TiVo

Ooooh, no.... can't do that.... the lady in red said I'm too early

Anyway, in all seriousness, I don't need educating

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by PhlangePhace

Ooooh, no.... can't do that.... the lady in red said I'm too early

Anyway, in all seriousness, I don't need educating

I didn't really mean you, I was replying to Horizon, but you got caught up in the debate

[Rattus]

Originally Posted by PhlangePhace

Ooooh, no.... can't do that.... the lady in red said I'm too early

Anyway, in all seriousness, I don't need educating

Oh hello there, you got here quick..

Well no actually i've been here before, about 3 months ago, but just came back on the off chance something might have changed, but because my name isn't john i never get a personalised message

[PhlangePhace]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

I didn't really mean you, I was replying to Horizon, but you got caught up in the debate

So, back to the debate.... here's my tuppeneth worth...

I was expecting TiVo to be nearer £250-£300, so was pleasently suprised when I found out it was to be £149.... but then in hindsight, as we aren't buying the box, as such, then the lower upfront cost is realistic.

More than 10 years ago my s1 TiVo cost £400 and, because I couldn't afford a further £200 at that time for the lifetime-subs, the monthly subs were £10.

So I see the £149 + £3pm on a par with £10pm for a couple of years, followed by a token £3pm thereafter.
I haven't got to worry about any breakdowns after the initial 12mths (which would have been the case with a 'bought' item).

Compare this with my SkyHD box ..... paid a little short of £300.... had to have a replacement after about 18mths costing a further £65 (partly subsidised by $ky as I was still subscribed to the HD service)..... and what is it worth now, if I were to sell? No more than £100. Net cost £265.

A £149 TiVo fee is significantly cheaper.

And the £3pm sub .... unless one has had the experience of a TiVo, I don't think one truly 'understands' what TiVo offers ..... it's features/capabilities above and beyond a 'standard' PVR such as V+ are more than worth the additional £3pm.

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by PhlangePhace

So, back to the debate.... here's my tuppeneth worth...

I was expecting TiVo to be nearer £250-£300, so was pleasently suprised when I found out it was to be £149.... but then in hindsight, as we aren't buying the box, as such, then the lower upfront cost is realistic.

More than 10 years ago my s1 TiVo cost £400 and, because I couldn't afford a further £200 at that time for the lifetime-subs, the monthly subs were £10.

So I see the £149 + £3pm on a par with £10pm for a couple of years, followed by a token £3pm thereafter.
I haven't got to worry about any breakdowns after the initial 12mths (which would have been the case with a 'bought' item).

Compare this with my SkyHD box ..... paid a little short of £300.... had to have a replacement after about 18mths costing a further £65 (partly subsidised by $ky as I was still subscribed to the HD service)..... and what is it worth now, if I were to sell? No more than £100. Net cost £265.

A £149 TiVo fee is significantly cheaper.

And the £3pm sub .... unless one has had the experience of a TiVo, I don't think one truly 'understands' what TiVo offers ..... it's features/capabilities above and beyond a 'standard' PVR such as V+ are more than worth the additional £3pm.

10 Years ago a DVD player cost £400 now a Blu-ray player can be bought for £49 in tescos and DVD player for £9.50. The fact that Tivo was £400 10 years ago only highlites what a rip off this is.

[mersey70]

Even as someone who is not drawn to Tivo I genuinely cannot see how £149 for a 1TB PVR can be considered expensive.

Even if it didn't have all the bells and whistles it's still very, very competitive. I understand you are tied to a high sub and there's the £3 a month charge but have a look in Argos at the cost of far lower capacity Freeview kit, they are miles more expensive.

Or more pertinently the price of Sky's 1TB box, all you are paying for is the larger capacity and once you stop subscribing it has the same functionality as a free Sky box.

Each to their own I suppose, I know you don't own it but I have come to the conclusion that argument is only valid for Freeview/Freesat PVR's which you buy, once you stop subscribing to Sky all you have is a FTA receiver despite the 1TB HDD.

I accept it has a resale value though. Your choice.

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by mersey70

Even as someone who is not drawn to Tivo I genuinely cannot see how £149 for a 1TB PVR can be considered expensive.

Even if it didn't have all the bells and whistles it's still very, very competitive. I understand you are tied to a high sub and there's the £3 a month charge but have a look in Argos at the cost of far lower capacity Freeview kit, they are miles more expensive.

Or more pertinently the price of Sky's 1TB box, all you are paying for is the larger capacity and once you stop subscribing it has the same functionality as a free Sky box.

Each to their own I suppose, I know you don't own it but I have come to the conclusion that argument is only valid for Freeview/Freesat PVR's which you buy, once you stop subscribing to Sky all you have is a FTA receiver despite the 1TB HDD.

I accept it has a resale value though. Your choice.

I guess it is a good price. My sister bought a 1TB sony Freeview HD recorder for £320 online. When you think a new VM Tivo customer will pay £189 for the box £40 for the install and £3 a month to use it....ACTUALLY Theres not a lot in it.

But then I guess the VM customer gets lifetime repairs. My sis will get hers covered by house insurance.