Why hackers still here ?

ive got enough hot air to get good at that lol

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

ive got enough hot air to get good at that lol

.....well I didn't want to be the one to have to say it

[Zhadnost]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Chipped comes from the old times when you had to add a piggyback chip or even change the eprom... These days it's all firmware based... even for the games consoles..

The last Wii hack I saw was a chip that you soldered onto the board.

[xpod]

It's a good point if you're simple-minded and you consider all theft to be equal in effect. Would you compare a driver who kills someone in an accident to a cold-blooded murderer; it must be the same because they both take away a life. Would you stand back from criticising crack dealers because you drink coffee or smoke nicotine? It looks like Homer Simpson's logic has gone mainstream.

I did say..."Regardless of ones Copyright beliefs".
Theft is still theft is it not?
Is one "thieving *******" really so different from the other or is the copyright thief just a bit peeved because he wants an £££/STM free line too and he dont like Mr bandwidth thief to come boast about it in his forum?

Just talking about murderers in the same breath as Bandwidth/Copyright thieves is more akin to Homers logic if you ask me but then what would i know about either eh.....

Also, all file transfer protocols have legitimate uses and the use of them doesn't automatically mean you're transferring copyrighted material.

You dont say.And there was me thinking i`d been stealing Linux for the last 3 years.

EDIT:

The last Wii hack I saw was a chip that you soldered onto the board.

Me too ;-)

Originally Posted by xpod

I need to play devils advocate i`m afraid.
No matter how many times these threads appear i can never get my head round it.....
How many of the people that call these guys thieves in these threads...which undoubtedly they are...use their paid for service to steal copious amounts of content from newsgroups & torrents sites etc?
Regardless of ones Copyright beliefs it`s still illegal to download Copyright is it not?
It`s completely Trollish to come boasting about it here on CF for sure but mabey some of those taking the bait need to think twice before responding the way they do in these types of thread.

Or do the two not compare in some peoples eyes??

Quite a few of us actually...As I regard both as theft.

I'm more upset by copyright theft though(which I've been told repeatedly is NOT a crime) than by people with battered,chipped,fried or otherwise fixed hardware attempting to gain something for nothing(note I didn't say it's stealing).However just because 'everyone' is doing it doesn't make it right,moral and if it's ever actually made a crime well I hope they enjoy their day in court...

[xpod]

Quite a few of us actually...As I regard both as theft.

Yeah,i class both as theft too(because that`s what the law says) but i would never slate someone for stealing the bandwidth when i`ve done just as bad(in my eyes) by downloading the odd thing i probably shouldn`t have.
That was what i was asking though so i`m sure your not actually one of those who do maggy.Unless it was the last part of my post you were refering to.