Why hackers still here ?

[xpod]

I need to play devils advocate i`m afraid.
No matter how many times these threads appear i can never get my head round it.....
How many of the people that call these guys thieves in these threads...which undoubtedly they are...use their paid for service to steal copious amounts of content from newsgroups & torrents sites etc?
Regardless of ones Copyright beliefs it`s still illegal to download Copyright is it not?
It`s completely Trollish to come boasting about it here on CF for sure but mabey some of those taking the bait need to think twice before responding the way they do in these types of thread.

Or do the two not compare in some peoples eyes??

[Zhadnost]

Totally agree, theft is theft.

Whether it's someone using a dodgy CM config to screw all other subscribers on the same UBR out of the bandwidth they have paid for, or from large faceless corporate entities, it's still theft and should be punished accordingly.

Oh, before anybody asks, no I have never stolen from the stationery cupboard at work.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by xpod

I need to play devils advocate i`m afraid.
No matter how many times these threads appear i can never get my head round it.....
How many of the people that call these guys thieves in these threads...which undoubtedly they are...use their paid for service to steal copious amounts of content from newsgroups & torrents sites etc?
Regardless of ones Copyright beliefs it`s still illegal to download Copyright is it not?

Good point xpod.
I wonder if they have such a strong view to some of the things mentioned in the illegal thread that is running.

[xpod]

Good point xpod.
I wonder if they have such a strong view to some of the things mentioned in the illegal thread that is running.

You took the thoughts right outta my head.
I was wondering what would happen if we cross-referenced that particular thread with all the "which newsgroup/how do i speed my torrentz up" threads then cross-referenced all them with all the "Cable stealing *******" threads...

Mabey the "thieving *******" could write us a script to do the job for us.
No offense thieving *******

[Horace]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Good point xpod.
I wonder if they have such a strong view to some of the things mentioned in the illegal thread that is running.

It's a good point if you're simple-minded and you consider all theft to be equal in effect. Would you compare a driver who kills someone in an accident to a cold-blooded murderer; it must be the same because they both take away a life. Would you stand back from criticising crack dealers because you drink coffee or smoke nicotine? It looks like Homer Simpson's logic has gone mainstream.

Copyright infringement *may* affect the company selling the product *if* you were intending to buy the product and even then it doesn't exclude the possibility of you buying the product if you decide you want a 'real' copy. Also, all file transfer protocols have legitimate uses and the use of them doesn't automatically mean you're transferring copyrighted material.

Most people stealing from VM are long term thieves who have no intention of trying before they buy and will continue to steal bandwidth from VM's legitimate customers for as long as they can get away with it.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Horace

It's a good point if you're simple-minded and you consider all theft to be equal in effect. Would you compare a driver who kills someone in an accident to a cold-blooded murderer; it must be the same because they both take away a life. Would you stand back from criticising crack dealers because you drink coffee or smoke nicotine? It looks like Homer Simpson's logic has gone mainstream.

So stealing from Virgin is different to stealing from another company. we know that.
but what is different to where one person is stealing from, compared to who you are stealing from? why should one thief think he is a lesser thief than the other?

[Russ]

I think it's also to do with behaviour. Many people who download films/music/games etc tend not to brag about it. As we've seen here and in previous threads, those who use cloned modems or 'chipped boxes' often do.

grrrrrrr pet hate its modified boxes not chipped lol lol lol

[Russ]

Which is why I put inverted commas around it

[Kymmy]

Chipped comes from the old times when you had to add a piggyback chip or even change the eprom... These days it's all firmware based... even for the games consoles..

... just as 'debugging' used to be the process of literally scraping dead insects out of the innards of early computers, where their dead bodies had a tendency to cause short circuits and malfunctions.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Chipped comes from the old times when you had to add a piggyback chip or even change the eprom... These days it's all firmware based... even for the games consoles..

hope you dont think your teaching me owt just posting that for everyone elses refference

Look, here's granny learning to suck eggs:

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Chipped comes from the old times when you had to add a piggyback chip or even change the eprom... These days it's all firmware based... even for the games consoles..

It's still easier to call them 'chipped' as more people will understand it that way.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

hope you dont think your teaching me owt just posting that for everyone elses refference

Nah, if I wanted to teach you out I'd teach you how to fault find a multi-layered PCB and then the best techniques of hot air soldering

Mind you I've not done that now for about 10 years