New STM could be coming your way

[nutellajunkie]

I knew some virgins lie, but they take the biscuit!

I would hate it if they opened a pharmacy, need I say more?

[Agent47]

"Over the coming months, we'll be conducting a trial on the way we manage our network in certain parts of the country. During these months, we'll be making a few changes to our Traffic Management policy, to help us figure out how to improve the quality of service we provide to our customers."

b0llox.

I hope VM are the next victims of the credit crunch.

[The PIT]

I'm safe as I'm already stm all day anyway due to an overloading UBR which isn't been fixed any day soon.

[*sloman*]

Originally Posted by broadbandking

Can you post a quote from the newsgroup

Ok here it is the post is called 'STM and more VM lies?' in virginmedia.feedback
Hi Tosh,

It is being rolled out throughout the network (currently in Preston, Wigan
and Blackpool). Other areas to follow shortly.

Keep checking the following page for further areas:-

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...fficTrial.html
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Kind Regards

Lee Grant
Virgin Media Technical Support
http://status2.virginmedia.com/
Please bottom-post when responding to aid viewing for all readers, thank
you.


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> The fact that you said it's being rolled out throughout the
> network....hardly a trial then is it?
>
> Every other trial has been localised, are you now saying it is national?
> Also, if it is a 'national' trial:
>
> a. why hasn't it been trialled nationally from day 1?
>
> b. how do we know when it is no longer is a trial (used to be no longer a
> trial when it was 'rolled out throughout the network')?
>
> Cheers
>
> Kol
>
> ...

Hi Kol,

A trial can be any size, the fact the trial is expanding to other areas of
the network does not make it any less of a trial.

> a. why hasn't it been trialled nationally from day 1?

We wanted to initially assess the impact on a small scale.

> b. how do we know when it is no longer is a trial (used to be no longer a
> trial when it was 'rolled out throughout the network')?

As mentioned previously please check the follow page for updates on the
trial:-

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...fficTrial.html

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Kind Regards

Lee Grant
Virgin Media Technical Support
http://status2.virginmedia.com/
Please bottom-post when responding to aid viewing for all readers, thank
you.

[Milambar]

Acton has just been added to that page as a trial area.

TBH, the way they keep adding areas smells more like a sequential rollout rather than a trial. I think they are trying to roll it out, under the guise of "trial".

[graf_von_anonym]

Originally Posted by Agent47

I hope VM are the next victims of the credit crunch.

Yes, I do too. I think the very best thing is that millions of people lose their internet connection and thousands of people lose their jobs. I am absolutely certain that Virgin Media failing as a business is the best thing that could happen. I especially think that as the Internet is so trivial an element of modernising the British economy that the Government would be overjoyed to have millions of people disconnected, and as such would not provide guarantees or taxpayer money to keep the business afloat. I'm even more certain that changing the management or partly nationalising the company would solve all the logistic and capacity issues instantaneously. I mean, that kind of intervention had such positive effects with simple things like the railways and the banks that I cannot imagine there being any difficulties whatsoever with such a project. I'm also sure that the fact that Virgin Media are listed on an American stock exchange though they trade in the UK makes two countries eager for it to fail as a business.

I mean, that would be the very best thing, wouldn't it? Better even than Christmas.

[cook1984]

The stupid thing is that VM are "upgrading" people with faster connections, but at the same time downgrading them with more and more STM.

Clearly, they just want the headline numbers without actually having to provide the service.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by cook1984

The stupid thing is that VM are "upgrading" people with faster connections, but at the same time downgrading them with more and more STM.

Clearly, they just want the headline numbers without actually having to provide the service.

What they want is pay-per-usage rather than unlimited. They know there is a big chunk of people on 10meg happy with the speed but running it heavily and are trying to "encourage" them to upgrade to 20meg.

IMO, those limits have never been about capacity limitations but more about trying to sell unnecessary upgrades.

[yorkshireborn]

if 50% of customers downgraded to the speed they get capped they would soon scrap STM
at the end of the day all virgin are trying to do is get back maximum profit for the least outlay.

[*sloman*]

Originally Posted by yorkshireborn

if 50% of customers downgraded to the speed they get capped they would soon scrap STM
at the end of the day all virgin are trying to do is get back maximum profit for the least outlay.

Or ring up and kick of like i did, now have 20mb for £20 per month

[cook1984]

They are fighting against the incoming tide. As services like iPlayer get more popular, the average user is using more and more bandwidth, and most of it at peek times.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by cook1984

They are fighting against the incoming tide. As services like iPlayer get more popular, the average user is using more and more bandwidth, and most of it at peek times.

Hence my earlier post. They know people don't need anything faster than they have now but just that people are using it more at the same time and actually using the capacity they're paying for rather than what VM want them to use.

[Jonathan90]

Secretley what they have done is already configured it and flipping switches in different towns and city's lol thats whats really going on.

[jailhouse]

I have just posted in another section and then come across this.

Here is what i have experienced over the past few weeks.

I work 10pm until around 6/8 am, and i do not use my PC until around 4pm,and then for no other use than surfing the net, updating the software, browsing youtube and talking to mates around the world via web cam, but for a while now i can hardly get above 4Mb.

Having called VM i have been told the following:

I have a virus - I use Kaspersky AV Suite and it has picked nothing up, and to back it up i have done online scans using ousecall from McAfee.

I have malware - Spybot S&D has found nothing, Ad Aware neither, and i use CCleaner to clean my machine.

I am downloading lots of items from the internet - Other than the updates for the software on my PCs' I don't.

I think VM are carrying out mass STM measures from a certain time, no matter how much of your usage you have used.

jh

[graf_von_anonym]

Originally Posted by jailhouse

I think VM are carrying out mass STM measures from a certain time, no matter how much of your usage you have used.

I think what's more likely is that your UBR is oversubscribed, and that at peak times the 4Mb figure is all that's available. So it's not that you are being traffic managed, but that your connection is slow. The same effect, but very different causes.

Though in fairness you could be saturating your upload or running two firewalls or downloading from sites with limited bandwidth or sitting behind a misconfigured router or a few other things. Regarding your virus concern, I remind you that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but you can check your netstat logs and see how many connections are being opened.

That said, it could be the Packet/Application/Routing-Analysis Network Operation Inhibiting Apparatus.