Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Wildie]

do they really think using dpi kit going to help to catch a wannabi terrorist, for they wouldnt use it as such and they know it.
and all that cctv dose not stop anything from happening does it, it`s only usefull after the fact as proven time and time again when its all gone wrong.

[lardycake]

Originally Posted by Peter N

... Quite why there is so little input or interest from Whitehall is a matter of opinion and mine is that BT has agreed to allow access to the DPI equipment for covert surveillence by government and the authorities in return for them turning a blind eye to the illegal trials and the commercial use of this system.

Something along those lines anyway. As someone pointed out way back, if this is allowed to proceed, the govt. could just buy the services of phorm to target whatever group they were interested in and perhaps single out individuals for detailed surveillance. I'm not really sure whether the govt. attitude is due to lack of understanding and pig headedness or there really is a hidden agenda. I'm willing to believe either.

[bluecar1]

this all still comes down to we do not know what the result of the research or legal advice bt / phorm have sought and recieved or even the questions they asked to get the advice, if it was as general as the information they gave the ICO then i think they should go back and seek advice again giving a bit more detail and then stand back in horror the the lawyers say, "well if you had given us this level of info at the start..........."

also the same with the survey if you have a specific product to market by al means ask general questions but at the end , fill in a few blanks and ask if you had that information at the start would it have change any of your answers sort of thing to get a true picture of customer feeling

its one thing to ask general questions about adverts and another when the interviewee understands the methods used to provide the targeted adverts mentioned in the questions

peter

I wouldn't expect any single politician to understand the situation but there are hundreds of them and they also have access to advisors and they normally set up committees to sort out the technicalities of complex issues.

I don't believe for one minute that no-one in Whitehall is aware of BT Webwise, the illegal trials, the Barbican protest or the US Senate's involvement.

[Wildie]

here`s one for them the gamer visits his web sites for his/her fav game say CS:s and forums which would be full of key words like bomb timer weapons you know the stuff lots of game web sites are full of it and so are forums along with ng`s, they be a lot of false pos that`s for sure one forum I know off the title alone brings them looking, and that site is over 10 years old and only for gen chit chat now as qwtf is now dead. :P and all would flags would not be in the context of the hit would they.
like this reply flagged now i bet.

Phorm haven't said that they won't profile or supply adverts for weapons so you'll probably just have time to read a few ads for ex-Soviet thermonuclear devices before the SAS's tear-gas and shock-grenades cause temporary blindness.

[davews]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

There's also an induction loop which might allow someone with the right radio receiver kit to pick up a signal perhaps?

Assuming it is a normal audio induction loop that will not be receivable outside the hall. These are not radio devices but baseband audio. I know for a fact (from the system I am responsible at our church) that there is no detectable signal outside the loop.

They use induction loops in a number of Government buildings that I have worked in and they can and do leak. The following is from the RNID (Royal National Institute for the Deaf) website...

Be aware that the loop signal can spill out beyond the area within the loop to other rooms. Walls, ceilings and floors do not block the magnetic waves from a loop. So you may be able to overhear sounds or conversations in rooms next door or directly above and below the loop. This could be a problem if your neighbour also uses a loop system, or if you want to have a confidential conversation.

Originally Posted by Wildie

do they really think using dpi kit going to help to catch a wannabi terrorist, for they wouldnt use it as such and they know it.
and all that cctv dose not stop anything from happening does it, it`s only usefull after the fact as proven time and time again when its all gone wrong.

With no restrictions such as applying to a court for a warrant to gain access potentially the government would be able to monitor everyones click stream in real time. They would potentially be able to add keywords such as the names of materials used in bomb making to a software scanner and identify users who searched for those keywords as they actually typed them into Google etc.

The scary part is that they wouldn't just be doing that with it...

[MovedGoalPosts]

I'm rather surprised that those of you who are so concerned about your privacy apparently believe it is OK to even have the suggestion of snooping using any induction loop technology. Indeed this could be be illegal. Let's have no more discussion on this matter thank you.

[bluecar1]

wait for the price to head down again 60,000 shares sold in the last hour

hammy your not dumping again are you

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by Rob

I'm rather surprised that those of you who are so concerned about your privacy apparently believe it is OK to even have the suggestion of snooping using any induction loop technology. Indeed this could be be illegal. Let's have no more discussion on this matter thank you.

With respect, its not snooping at all. BT broadcast the AGM presentation using induction loop technology. They broadcast the AGM, simultaneously, over the net using webcasting in any case.

Receiving an induction loop broadcast, like receiving local FM radio broadcasts, isn't 'snooping'. (NB; using it to monitor a private conversation, such as at Post Office counters certainly IS).

Unless you want BT to ban people wearing hearing aids from the AGM?

If it were a private meeting, if the AGM wasn't being simultaneously relayed over the internet, I might otherwise agree.

Update; I will contact BT to see if they object to the use of induction loop receivers outside the AGM? Would that help?

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by Peter N

I wouldn't expect any single politician to understand the situation but there are hundreds of them and they also have access to advisors and they normally set up committees to sort out the technicalities of complex issues.

I don't believe for one minute that no-one in Whitehall is aware of BT Webwise, the illegal trials, the Barbican protest or the US Senate's involvement.

Remember that kent has been doing the rounds in parliament for a while and many do seem to have taken his blah as fact. Look at the Don Foster situation, he was behind us all the way until he had a chat with kent...now he's gone very quiet
kent ertugral may be a right smarmy git in many peoples eyes but he certainly has charm and the gift of the gab when trying to convince people of his intentions.
Just look at how many people he has already convinced that what he's doing is legal, a major step forward in privacy, wanted by everyone etc. BT, VM, CPW, ICO, HO, 80/20, the list goes on, and they cant all be as stupid as BT
It was only when people who knew their network onions disected phorm / webwise and realised how massive a threat to everyones privacy it was and called Shennanigans.

I certainly believe that some in Whitehall were aware of the implications but, for their own reasons, were quite happy to let it roll (security services etc) but I just don't think we should underestimate kents ability to spin BS when tripping his spiel to to the technically uneducated, and that includes parliament.

Originally Posted by Peter N

Phorm haven't said that they won't profile or supply adverts for weapons so you'll probably just have time to read a few ads for ex-Soviet thermonuclear devices before the SAS's tear-gas and shock-grenades cause temporary blindness.

Peter, you still there Peter?

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by popper

i forgot the simplest things, yea VMserver might work, but http://www.virtualbox.org/ is probably better if not as you can auto assign any USB2 stick or device to that exclusive use, so should work fine for that audio if you have an XP handy to throw on there.

hang on MS let you download a IE6 windows image too i seem to remember, someone here mentioned it i think... so you might not even need to do a virtual CD Image install.

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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

its a VPC image though and i cant remember if that does USB2
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro.../overview.mspx

It isn't working in VBox or VMWare either. How do you assign exclusive use in VBox?

Alexander Hanff

[popper]

Originally Posted by vicz

Hmmm Windows only it seems...

it souldnt be a problem if they keep to that test feed,
WMV3,WMA2 ,320x240
mms://twofour.wmod.llnwd.net/a2238/d1/u/BT/AGM1_bb-001.wmv

see OT page #15 for more.