Starmer’s chronicles

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I really hope you don't get seriously ill but if you do you'll find it's the NHS that treats you and not your private scheme

Yes don't believe farage when he has repeatedly said he wants to privatise the NHS, they were saying that about donnie too, don't believe what he says, look how that's turned out for America so no thanks I won't be changing the record till farage does

Oh, really? Do you have a link for that as something he has ever said in the last 10 years?

He has made it clear on many occasions that NHS treatment will be free at the point of delivery under a Reform government. How many times does he have to repeat this for it to sink in?

He has said the funding model needs to be reviewed and we all know that we cannot continue to put ever increasing amounts of money into the NHS. But whatever that results in, he has promised to keep its services free at the point of delivery.

[Russ]

What he means is people will be entitled to a free consultation as available in most American hospitals. After that, if you want/need treatment, you pay.

What would your response be to people who cannot afford bills as they are now, never mind needing to pay for health insurance?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The 27% of pensioners who are millionaires...

Come on, link please.

Or are you basing it on people that bought a house within the M25 in 50yrs ago that is now worth £X million, but they can’t afford to heat it?

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Originally Posted by Russ

What would your response be to people who cannot afford bills as they are now, never mind needing to pay for health insurance?

Vote out Labour, and therefore Ed Milliband. Then when Net-Zero is ditched they may be able to afford health insurance.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

What he means is people will be entitled to a free consultation as available in most American hospitals. After that, if you want/need treatment, you pay.

What would your response be to people who cannot afford bills as they are now, never mind needing to pay for health insurance?

You mean, that’s your interpretation? He has never said that, has he?

[Russ]

No response? Ok.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

No response? Ok.

Er - it’s your turn!

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The 27% of pensioners who are millionaires...

Originally Posted by Pierre

Come on, link please.

Or are you basing it on people that bought a house within the M25 in 50yrs ago that is now worth £X million, but they can’t afford to heat it?.

This has been covered previously, and is (of course) very misleading.
It comes from ONS statistics that count the overall wealth of a household, not individuals, and includes things like pension funds and property value.
Its not millionaires in the sense you would normally mean, i.e. people who have a million pounds in the bank they can spend.

[papa smurf]

It seems there has been a disturbance in the force

Top Labour figure urges PM to rethink two of his most controversial policies
Following last week's elections drubbing, Labour figures are openly questioning the prime minister's strategy. The party's Welsh first minister has urged Keir Starmer to rethink controversial changes to the winter fuel payment and benefits.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...reens-12593360

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It seems there has been a disturbance in the force

Top Labour figure urges PM to rethink two of his most controversial policies
Following last week's elections drubbing, Labour figures are openly questioning the prime minister's strategy. The party's Welsh first minister has urged Keir Starmer to rethink controversial changes to the winter fuel payment and benefits.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...reens-12593360

As if a thousand Labour councillors in marginal seats cried out … and were suddenly silenced

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

As if a thousand Labour councillors in marginal seats cried out … and were suddenly silenced

looks like sir tin ear is ignoring it


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...test-live-news

As I said before the political cost to them of this compared to the money saved is moronic. They could have got rid of the triple lock for just as much damage, saved a lot more money and gained a lot more market confidence if they wanted to borrow more.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

As I said before the political cost to them of this compared to the money saved is moronic. They could have got rid of the triple lock for just as much damage, saved a lot more money and gained a lot more market confidence if they wanted to borrow more.

it was never about money, it's hatred of the elderly, there's a lot of it around in this country

Originally Posted by papa smurf

it was never about money, it's hatred of the elderly, there's a lot of it around in this country

I dont think its either, just simple incompetence.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

I dont think its either, just simple incompetence.

Yes, I think it is naivety.

I believe it was genuinely financially-driven as the government has signed up to very strict borrowing limits. And a Labour government has an ideological inclination to focus support on the poorer in society but not those who don't need it. And the Conservatives have been accused of using the Winter fuel allowance to buy pensioner votes.

However, as Damien says, the government had other options and the political cost has been very heavy.

[Sephiroth]

Miliband’s nonsense has played just as squarely into the election results as the stiffing by Starmer of the pensioners.

In today’s PM questions, Kemi successfully skewered Starmer who referred to notes on every question without going near an answer. I doubt that the swing voters watch PM’s questions, but the media will have their regular weekly fun pulling that liar apart.