Starmer’s chronicles

[telegramsam]

I think Labour are doing a good job. They said not everyone will be happy with the tough decisions they will have to make which is proving to be. I totally agree with the the decision to axe the fuel allowance for all pensioners for the very reason many DON'T need it. The time to judge Labour is in 4 years time not now. Reform won't last long once people see how they mess up the council's they run.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

I think Labour are doing a good job. They said not everyone will be happy with the tough decisions they will have to make which is proving to be. I totally agree with the the decision to axe the fuel allowance for all pensioners for the very reason many DON'T need it. The time to judge Labour is in 4 years time not now. Reform won't last long once people see how they mess up the council's they run.

Can you post your evidence "that many don't need it"

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Perhaps a change of name from NHS to" national hold your hand you poor hard done by thing "

I really hope you don't get seriously ill but if you do you'll find it's the NHS that treats you and not your private scheme

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It sounds as if you actually believe the NHS scare that Labour has used against the Conservatives for many, many decades. Clearly, you haven't taken into account of the fact that this still hasn't happened, and that the most significant increase in private sector involvement in the NHS happened under Blair's Labour Government.

Now you turn the same faux concern against Reform. Do change the record.

Yes don't believe farage when he has repeatedly said he wants to privatise the NHS, they were saying that about donnie too, don't believe what he says, look how that's turned out for America so no thanks I won't be changing the record till farage does

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

To all you Labour supporters who still don't comment on Starmer's outcomes so far:

Do you think Starmer and his team are doing a good job and if do why? I'll concede that Wes Streeting seems to be doing a reasonable job.

All I see is Reform bad this, Tories bad that but you seem too embarrassed to criticise your darling Labour who are royally screwing up the people and the economy.

Royally screwing the economy, conveniently forgetting the Billions black hole they inherited, I quite like gb energy, I like the rail nationalisation, the brining of buses under local government control and keeping the fares down, I like the breakfast clubs very much, I also like the housing reforms that have closed many of the loopholes the Conservatives put in place to avoid meeting targets, the compulsory purchase orders are good too as is the protections in place for renters, the ban on being forced to sign a zero hours contract, scrapping the Rwandan white elephant, getting to the heart of small boats and going after the gangs may work better than expected, sorting out the junior doctors dispute. That'll do of the top of my head but there's much they've done they doesn't get reported in our right wing press, so yes compared to the alternatives I'm very happy.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Can you post your evidence "that many don't need it"

The 27% of pensioners who are millionaires...

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Can you post your evidence "that many don't need it"

How,I don't know everyone but I do know several pensioners who have told me they don't need it. One of them gave it to me because I do need it but don't qualify for it yet

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

How,I don't know everyone but I do know several pensioners who have told me they don't need it. One of them gave it to me because I do need it but don't qualify for it yet

Several does not equate to many, so in reality it's your opinion based on a few pensioners

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I really hope you don't get seriously ill but if you do you'll find it's the NHS that treats you and not your private scheme

I had a tumour removed from my Bladder and that was done by Bupa under my company health scheme, I agree with you that it is the NHS that is now do my on going health checks and they have been superb. I used Bupa as they could carry out the surgery faster than the NHS could the difference was over 20 weeks, that's a long time when a tumour is still growing.

[telegramsam]

Depends on how you look at it. I probably know about 20 pensioners and at least 14 of them say they don't need it. And let's not forget all pensioners got it under the old system INCLUDING millionaire celebrities! Was it fair they got it? Absolutely not!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

Depends on how you look at it. I probably know about 20 pensioners and at least 14 of them say they don't need it. And let's not forget all pensioners got it under the old system INCLUDING millionaire celebrities! Was it fair they got it? Absolutely not!

And here is the opposite argument, my Father in law is bed ridden and needs constant care. We submitted his application when all this came out and they said he is £30:00 a month over so no additional support. As a family we now cover his heating bills and as a family we will all be voting against Labour at the next election. We do not understand Labours attacks on pensioners and the disabled .

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Sirius

And here is the opposite argument, my Father in law is bed ridden and needs constant care. We submitted his application when all this came out and they said he is £30:00 a month over so no additional support. As a family we now cover his heating bills and as a family we will all be voting against Labour at the next election. We do not understand Labours attacks on pensioners and the disabled .

I do. They are lying toads who confected £13 billion of the £22 billion. That said, they settled the junior doctors' dispute with the money they're raking in - but the billions they gave to the railway workers was sheer payback to the unions for their election funding.

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by Sirius

And here is the opposite argument, my Father in law is bed ridden and needs constant care. We submitted his application when all this came out and they said he is £30:00 a month over so no additional support. As a family we now cover his heating bills and as a family we will all be voting against Labour at the next election. We do not understand Labours attacks on pensioners and the disabled .

But the line has to be drawn somewhere. If they changed it so your father-in-law qualified there'd be someone else who only just misses out. In an ideal world pensioners would get enough pension to afford their heating. The fact is we can't afford to give everyone what they want and it's high time people stopped winging and accepted this! This is my last comment on the matter because some people on here just won't accept reality and I'm tired of it all now.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I really hope you don't get seriously ill but if you do you'll find it's the NHS that treats you and not your private scheme



Yes don't believe farage when he has repeatedly said he wants to privatise the NHS, they were saying that about donnie too, don't believe what he says, look how that's turned out for America so no thanks I won't be changing the record till farage does




Royally screwing the economy, conveniently forgetting the Billions black hole they inherited, I quite like gb energy, I like the rail nationalisation, the brining of buses under local government control and keeping the fares down, I like the breakfast clubs very much, I also like the housing reforms that have closed many of the loopholes the Conservatives put in place to avoid meeting targets, the compulsory purchase orders are good too as is the protections in place for renters, the ban on being forced to sign a zero hours contract, scrapping the Rwandan white elephant, getting to the heart of small boats and going after the gangs may work better than expected, sorting out the junior doctors dispute. That'll do of the top of my head but there's much they've done they doesn't get reported in our right wing press, so yes compared to the alternatives I'm very happy.




The 27% of pensioners who are millionaires...

My choice is and it's a matter of record , dnr. AFTER a certain age and in fact certain conditions give up. We have a number of retirement businesses and in never fails me why anyone would choose it for themselves or their family . The one thing I personally banned is allowing the spin dryer effect.

[Sephiroth]

Just to remind - Starmer's recent words on the biological woman definition were made through gritted teeth (so to speak) because he knew the rubbish he'd spouted before the judgement.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

How,I don't know everyone but I do know several pensioners who have told me they don't need it. One of them gave it to me because I do need it but don't qualify for it yet

A pensioner I know was most put out because she used to use that money for her holidays!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A pensioner I know was most put out because she used to use that money for her holidays!

That's nothing. I know a pensioner who switched from Waitrose to Lidl.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A pensioner I know was most put out because she used to use that money for her holidays!

Well we are up to 15 pensioners out of the 10,000,000 that were left out in the cold

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's nothing. I know a pensioner who switched from Waitrose to Lidl.

Was it Elton John?