sky movies (excess profits) - Page 7

gstadt · 01-03-2011, 17:37

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

That ignores the fact that Sky already have the capability to offer this service through its own platform.

So why aren't they making it available? Why don't they make Anytime+ available on other ISP's?

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Plus what we are talking about here is competition to Sky that is growing rapidly, e.g. Most of the VOD service wannabe providers such as Lovefilm are growing so quickly simply because they buy any bright spark that wishes to compete. VOD is probably in its infancy as a mainstream service in the UK. It will probably become more than just VM, BT Vision and a handful of comprehensive catch up sites soon. The competition is yet to, IMO, really take place. Organisations such as Amazon or Youtube could compete if they wished to.

You really think that Sky won't try to use/abuse its dominant position as movie/TV content rights holders to prevent others getting in on the action?

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Which is why I really do wonder why regulate Sky? In the end an organisation must step up to Sky and compete or otherwise Sky should continue as it is. Anything in between is just nonsense as it costs the consumer in the end.

See above re: dominant position ...

devilincarnate · 01-03-2011, 17:51

SKY will try anything to try and dominate the market to their favour. You are able to see this with SKY ATLANTIC ( taking HBO on demand off of VM ). This is my opinion and i have to say that if you do not agree id do not give a castlemaine xxxx

clinteastman · 01-03-2011, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Big-Ted

There are two that are much bigger than Sky and who the studios will find hard to ignore.

Amazon who have bought Lovefilm could flex its muscles and go for more VOD content.

Google have $100 million put aside for VOD to set up a service on youtube that will launch in the UK first.

Either of these can really break Sky's hold on movie VOD, especially Amazon who provide the studios with masses of money from DVD sales etc.

It would be easy for Virgin to have aps for these on TiVo as well as people using them direct via computers etc.

Spot on, as you say Amazon and Google are making noises about going all out on subscription VOD this year starting in the UK, that will blow the market wide open. I don't think Sky will have the option of buying all the rights up for much longer, two bigger fish have jumped into the pond.

It's also worth pointing out that Sky aren't necessarily only under investigation for the effect of their exclusive movie rights on customers but on the movie studios themselves. Sky are using their power to pressure smaller movie studios into selling the rights at below market value thus cutting them out of the profit.

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

So you are happy that Sky with hold VoD rights so the likes of LoveFilm, Netflix, Amazon and other on demand operators can't offer a possible cheaper service?

Even if they don't use them on their own platform?

seems crazy to back Sky on this one..

I think Sky should be made to give VM everything for free , make no operating profit and then pass their 10 million customer base over to VM for free LOL :-)

LexDiamond · 01-03-2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by gstadt

So why aren't they making it available? Why don't they make Anytime+ available on other ISP's?

You really think that Sky won't try to use/abuse its dominant position as movie/TV content rights holders to prevent others getting in on the action?

See above re: dominant position ...

Anytime+ is available for people to use should they take up the service. It is not uncommon for companies to bundle their products. It is up to Sky how they deliver the product. If they wish to bundle it they are within their rights just as much as BT is to bundle its tv within its own products.

How can Sky abuse their position exactly? Its an open market. No content provider cares if they sell to Sky or someone else as long as they get the best return. Like has already been mentioned, there is potential for organisations to compete with Sky.

Big-Ted · 01-03-2011, 18:25

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

I think Sky should be made to give VM everything for free , make no operating profit and then pass their 10 million customer base over to VM for free LOL :-)

Nooooooooo

10 million more ahead of me in the que for TiVo

Let the demons stay with their dark lord

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 18:27

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Originally Posted by big-ted

nooooooooo

10 million more ahead of me in the que for tivo

Let the demons stay with their dark lord

LOL

**Hugh** · 01-03-2011, 18:30

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

I think Sky should be made to give VM everything for free , make no operating profit and then pass their 10 million customer base over to VM for free LOL :-)

Have you actually read the OFCOM papers?

Big-Ted · 01-03-2011, 18:32

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Anytime+ is available for people to use should they take up the service. It is not uncommon for companies to bundle their products. It is up to Sky how they deliver the product. If they wish to bundle it they are within their rights just as much as BT is to bundle its tv within its own products.

How can Sky abuse their position exactly? Its an open market. No content provider cares if they sell to Sky or someone else as long as they get the best return. Like has already been mentioned, there is potential for organisations to compete with Sky.

You really don't get it do you ?

Sky make excess profits and use them to buy rights to movies and VOD for the UK pricing everyone else out of the market unless they have many millions spare to keep going till they get enough subs to cover costs.

Sky have had the VOD rights included right from the launch of their movie channels locking everyone else out.

Its only now that real mega companies look at VOD themselves that they are under threat and IMHO they only have films included in their VOD for no charge is to try to say they are using the content and still block all others getting it.

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Have you actually read the OFCOM papers?

Yes I Have. I haven t outright said I disagree with it was merely stating sky do show movies via VOD.

devilincarnate · 01-03-2011, 18:43

Can i just say that the competition commission on their working papers have said on their working papers that SKY have had the most out of investing in the first part of all their sports and movies. So I am waiting until April ( unless they need more info on this ) to see what they have to say on the matter and what will be?

mersey70 · 01-03-2011, 18:47

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Can i just say that the competition commission on their working papers have said on their working papers that SKY have had the most out of investing in the first part of all their sports and movies. So I am waiting until April ( unless they need more info on this ) to see what they have to say on the matter and what will be?

Yes, it's best to wait and see what the CC say.

But I agree with the earlier poster, Sky certainly do make use of their movies OD rights (be that by pull or push VOD) although I accept no one else currently have access.

We'll see.

batchain · 01-03-2011, 18:48

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate

SKY will try anything to try and dominate the market to their favour. You are able to see this with SKY ATLANTIC ( taking HBO on demand off of VM ). This is my opinion and i have to say that if you do not agree id do not give a castlemaine xxxx

Not sure it had anything to do with Sky. HBO On Demand is still available on BT Vision and they continue to add new shows to the service including The Pacific and, from next year, Broadwalk Empire - http://www.btvision.bt.com/tv/the-be...-on-vision-tv/

mersey70 · 01-03-2011, 18:51

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Originally Posted by batchain

Not sure it had anything to do with Sky. HBO On Demand is still available on BT Vision including new shows to the service including The Pacific and, from next year, Broadwalk Empire - http://www.btvision.bt.com/tv/the-be...-on-vision-tv/

My understanding is there are no plans whatsoever to remove HBO content from BT Vision, on the contrary as you highlight.

It was just a myth being bandied around that it was getting removed when VM had it removed so perhaps it wasn't at Sky's orders we lost it. It wouldn't appear Sky have HBO OD content exclusively anyway.

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 18:52

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Originally Posted by mersey70

Yes, it's best to wait and see what the CC say.

But I agree with the earlier poster, Sky certainly do make use of their movies OD rights (be that by pull or push VOD) although I accept no one else currently have access.

We'll see.

This was my point exactly , Sky do use VOD to deliver there movies as to the unfair practice that's for the powers to be to decide. In my experience Sky get blamed for everything on here , I don't like some of their practices but they cant be blamed for all VM problems.