Riots - Page 64

Gary L · 11-08-2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by martyh

what "proper reason"would you be thinking about Gary ,do tell

Nothing too exciting. just being completely skint.

wwe · 11-08-2011, 19:05

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Yes it is:

http://www.premierleague.com/page/He...417110,00.html

thank you

11-08-2011, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Nothing too exciting. just being completely skint.

and in your world that would justify rioting would it

Gary L · 11-08-2011, 19:18

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Originally Posted by martyh

and in your world that would justify rioting would it

Are you coming away from the other one and starting a new one now?

I was saying, (but you were looking for something else so you missed it) that we moaned about them rioting for not having a reason. other than for the fun and gains to be made. and if we want their benefits to be stopped then they will have a reason to riot.

whether the riots are justifiable or not doesn't matter. we can discuss that all day long after we have given them the excuse.

11-08-2011, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Are you coming away from the other one and starting a new one now?

i have no idea what you mean ..what other one and what new one ?

for clarification ,

you said they would have a "proper" reason for rioting

i asked what proper reason

you said "being skint"

i asked if you thought that being skint was a justifiable reason for rioting

you replied with the above confusing nonsense

11-08-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm confused now. didn't I read that it needed a million signatures originally. and where's everyone getting this million figure they're talking about?

What 1m figure?? It's always been 100,000 signatures.

Gary L · 11-08-2011, 19:28

and you say to the reason?

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Originally Posted by LSainsbury

What 1m figure?? It's always been 100,000 signatures.

I don't know what the threshold is really, but I'm sure someone said it needs a million. isn't that why Mick mentioned the million too?

11-08-2011, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Are you coming away from the other one and starting a new one now?

I was saying, (but you were looking for something else so you missed it) that we moaned about them rioting for not having a reason. other than for the fun and gains to be made. and if we want their benefits to be stopped then they will have a reason to riot.

whether the riots are justifiable or not doesn't matter. we can discuss that all day long after we have given them the excuse.

should have just said that instead of trying to be cryptic

Yes i agree that stopping their dole will ,to the rioters and people of that ilk ,be a justifiable reason to riot some more or go about burglarising houses ,that should not stop us doing it though

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Originally Posted by Gary L

and you say to the reason?

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I don't know what the threshold is really, but I'm sure someone said it needs a million. isn't that why Mick mentioned the million too?

it needs 100,000 sigs to be past onto a back bench commitee for debate ,the 1million that Mick was on about was a error with the site

Gary L · 11-08-2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by martyh

should have just said that instead of trying to be cryptic

I don't do cryptics. I'm crap at them kind of crosswords.

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Yes i agree that stopping their dole will ,to the rioters and people of that ilk ,be a justifiable reason to riot some more or go about burglarising houses ,that should not stop us doing it though

Well if we do. it'll be a lot worse than what we've just experienced. to us it's dole money. to them it's life.

11-08-2011, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't do cryptics. I'm crap at them kind of crosswords.

Well if we do. it'll be a lot worse than what we've just experienced. to us it's dole money. to them it's life.

and therein lies the problem .Quite a lot of those rioters have never worked and have no intention of ever working .Whether they are on the dole or living from the earnings of crime does not matter ,they have to be made to realise that society is no longer going to support them if they continue rioting ,looting and robbing when some decision is made by the government meant to help law abiding tax payers

Jimmy-J · 11-08-2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Like this.

Here's the video... http://www.facebook.com/video/video....50275819702793

thenry · 11-08-2011, 20:43

Question Time special tonight BBC1

Dai · 11-08-2011, 21:32

I can't agree with stopping benefits completely. I think that will result in a lot of desparate people committing more crimes. Perhaps for those convicted a reduction of perhaps 10% or so. That would cut back on their fags and booze a bit and the saving could be applied to rebuilding the businesses that were trashed.

danielf · 11-08-2011, 22:03

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

I can't agree with stopping benefits completely. I think that will result in a lot of desparate people committing more crimes. Perhaps for those convicted a reduction of perhaps 10% or so. That would cut back on their fags and booze a bit and the saving could be applied to rebuilding the businesses that were trashed.

My thoughts exactly. What bright spark thought this up? Here we've got a lad (presumably) that apparently thinks nothing of smashing in shop windows to take whatever he fancies and people think the appropriate punishment is to take the little money he has away. What the hell do people think he's going to do now that he's got even less money than before? I figure he's not going to get a paper route or wash cars...

I think a spell in prison is far more appropriate.

11-08-2011, 22:16

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Originally Posted by danielf

My thoughts exactly. What bright spark thought this up? Here we've got a lad (presumably) that apparently thinks nothing of smashing in shop windows to take whatever he fancies and people think the appropriate punishment is to take the little money he has away. What the hell do people think he's going to do now that he's got even less money than before? I figure he's not going to get a paper route or wash cars...

I think a spell in prison is far more appropriate.

the little money that the dole gives them will only account for a small part of their income .Those who are career claimants don't just get dole ,they live mainly on the proceeds from crime eg drugs ,robbery ect so stopping their dole won't make that much difference to them financialy .Also quite a few don't even bother claiming because they earn enough from their criminal activities to not have to ,instead they shack up with some bird who gets housing benefit so they have somewhere to live for free and stay off the benefits radar so not having the inconvenience of having to look for work to keep benefits.
Stopping the rioters benefits will make the honest tax payer feel a lot better but won't make that much difference to the career claimant/criminal