1GB Cap Letter!!!!

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Would you be happy for your licence fee to go up to cover the costs of the BBC buying the bandwidth at the other end?

The BBC don't need to provide any bandwidth; it is all done on p2p.

(edit - beaten to it :o)

[jonifen]

Originally Posted by mrlipring

I don't want to see michael ****ing winner

Calm down dear, its a commercial

Pausing or fast-forwarding through adverts is only the same as old people making a brew half way through corrie init? Neither people will see "Michael ****ing Winner" (which is probably a good thing...)

P2P however is a grey area for usage on NTL.
Torrents will only be a great idea (imho) if there is a stable place for things but people find a hosting spot for torrent files, and you end up with non-legal items which cause the sites to get closed.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by dirtydog

The BBC don't need to provide any bandwidth; it is all done on p2p.

(edit - beaten to it :o)

Yeh but, No but...
This is maybe fair for UK use of the BBC output - as you have paid for it in your licence fee, but it would cannibalise their revenue stream for selling this stuff to TV stations in other parts of the world - why should an American in the US be able to watch eastenders on line for free when you have paid your licence fee to get it made?

[mrlipring]

Is'nt eastenders shown there? Either way, i get what you're saying. That's down to the yanks behaving though. I don't see why i should be deprived of the opportunity to watch something i funded.

[Chrysalis]

If people want to bring up fairness why should people pay a licence fee to pay for things like bbc3 which are not universally available.

[OinkyBoinky]

thats true... there are only 4 channels avaible here .... others get over 30 for the same liecence fee....

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by mrlipring

Is'nt eastenders shown there? Either way, i get what you're saying.

It is but a US TV station has paid for the rights to broadcast it - a factor taken into consideration in the revenue streams of the BBC (or BBC Worldwide). Why would that company pay this fee (to be covered by advertising revenue) if the viewers were not watching it there but on the web.
Anyway as you said you get it.

[Pia]

what is the problem? if you want to watch eastenders then watch it like everyone else does. dont argue about whether it is right or wrong to download it.

[umpa]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I'll change my record when all those heavy users have the balls to own up to what they actually use their connections for.

Well - I dont know about anyone else, but Myself the wife and kidz (we all have PC's) use the internet for web radio & watching internet TV. Some times we dont even close these apps down. Why would I - its an always on service (remember!!!)
I'm talking high quality streams too, and we have 4 PC's, that surf all at the same time - quite alot of the time.

Now as you can imagine I'm sure I go over this 1GB limit. You should remember that NTL as an ISP, is not the only provider I can use, its just the choice at this moment in time.

So Now you have your answer - SHUT UP!

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by umpa

Well - I dont know about anyone else, but Myself the wife and kidz (we all have PC's) use the internet for web radio & watching internet TV. Some times we dont even close these apps down. Why would I - its an always on service (remember!!!)
I'm talking high quality streams too, and we have 4 PC's, that surf all at the same time - quite alot of the time.

Now as you can imagine I'm sure I go over this 1GB limit. You should remember that NTL as an ISP, is not the only provider I can use, its just the choice at this moment in time.

So Now you have your answer - SHUT UP!

No linux distros???

ive just been looking at this thread http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=26900a lot of people have been here looking trying to access it some im sure who have said things about piracy and cap etc, now if this guy has paid for the rights to stream this ill be a monkeys uncle(if im wrong ill pick my a**e and swing from a tree) If he does not have the right he and anyone streaming it is breaking copyright and one of those much derided on this forum. I admit it ive been there and watched some.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

..........it is breaking copyright and one of those much derided on this forum. I admit it ive been theres and watched some.

I think it's the denial of it that is derided...........

And the imaginative ways people dream up of legally downloading 24/7 that is the subject of Mickey taking...

Not forgetting the multi ID "Me as well" back up posts

[umpa]

Originally Posted by purenuman

No linux distros???

Hell no - Linux is crap. Why use that ?

I am not justifying my heavy internet use, - I dont need to.

The man asked for a legitimate reason, and I gave one.

Bottom line it - to give something with one hand and then take it away with the other, is something we all expect from the government, but not from a ISP that needs our money.

Looks to me that they cant really afford to do what they have done. So the question is why do it?

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by umpa

Looks to me that they cant really afford to do what they have done. So the question is why do it?

Looks to me (and them) that they can't afford not toooooo

So the question is why not do it?

[jonifen]

Originally Posted by umpa

Bottom line it - to give something with one hand and then take it away with the other, is something we all expect from the government, but not from a ISP that needs our money.

Looks to me that they cant really afford to do what they have done. So the question is why do it?

There is only one reason I can think of and that is competition.

NTL make speeds faster so people can download quicker.
NTL add a "usage policy" (I wont use the word cap as its not an enforced limit (yet)) to get people to reduce their usage

So... you get a faster connection, and download at full speed... on a 2mb, after a few hours, you've reached your cap, so you stop using the internet for that day.

What else to do for the rest of the day? I suppose it would decrease the amount of dirty cars on the roads as people would have more time to wash them. Perhaps NTL should get a sponsorship deal with Turtle wax or auto-glym or something...

With NTL being a provider for specific areas in the UK, people tend to use them purely because its easy for most to get everything from one place. 1 company to deal with... 1 bill to pay at the end of the month etc. That is why people use NTL purely, not because they offer 3Mb to compete with other people. I would be perfectly happy with a 512k downstream and a 256k upstream connection for x amount a month (say £25 > £30 like it used to be) and not have to watch my usage.

If you look through this thread, there are plenty of genuine reasons for going over 1Gb a day (and I'm not talking about Linux here).
At the end of the day, those downloading things they shouldnt be doing... you know who you are and NTL also know who you are (they can see where your connections are pointing to... I'm sure its all logged for a period of time). If NTL thinks your usage is detrimental (sp?) to their network then they will take action accordingly and you will have only yourself to blame. You cannot fool someone who has the facts down on paper in front of them, and "it was my dog" kind of excuses wont work anymore

If NTL made more of an effort to make the most of what they have and THEN (and only then) add to it, I'm sure their existing customers would be happier with the overall service provided rather than stamping their feet that they could get xMb from x company for x amount cheaper. If they really want that, then they can have it... just not with NTL.

edit: by the way, I'm not saying it's all NTL's fault for the situation being that it is... it would help if people didnt used these chipped boxes to get their free telly or whatever else - these people are depriving NTL of money they deserve and should be getting to pump back into their piggy bank for making the service better.