1GB Cap Letter!!!!

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by scastle

What? You don't have ADSL in Wales? Quick. Somebody tell Russ, his Pipex connection can't be working as the underlying technology it requires is not there..

Seriously. Unless you live in a remote area of Wales that doesn't have ADSL, then you have as much competition there as we do in England. The only difference is there are two cable companies in England. But, each has there own area (for instance, I live in an NTL cable area and cannot have Telewest). True, NTL ADSL is available in Telewest areas, but NTL cable isn't.

With ADSL, however, you DO have alternate ISPs.



Please do not assume that just because somebody does not have the same amount of downloads as you that they don't do anything. I've been using the 'Net (and WWW) since '94 (so I am an experienced user). I do all the stuff that people use as an excuse for breaking the 1G a day download limit like streaming, downloading game demos, OS (Windows XP, 2003, Mac OSX and Linux) patches and service packs, driver updates, antivirus updates and firewall updates, linux distros, xbox live. I sometimes even use VPN and Remote Desktop to connect to my machines at work. There is also one other user in my house. I rarely go through the 1 Gig cap though.

Just because you CAN download 24/7 doesn't mean you have to. Now, I am not saying what you should (or shouldn't) download - that's not my place. Nor is it NTL's unless it violates the Acceptable Usage Policy or Terms & Conditions of their service. The Cap HAS been in their AUP for several years now, so by continued use of the service, you have agreed to it (regardless of wether it was in force at the time you signed up)

Regarding my opinion of the cap? I have argued for the cap in the past (I can see the need for it, but I can also see that it could be a pain), but have stated that IF the cap becomes a problem, I will leave NTL. You are probably free to do the same.

I didnt say i couldnt get ADSL, like i said bulldog offer 2mb for £2 more than NTL. Firstly I dont like ADSL over Cable and secondly i dont consider paying £2 more for the same service Competition.
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Originally Posted by jonifen

I've read the majority of this thread (it gets boring in work sometimes ) and I'll continue to stand by my thoughts...
1Gb is a little harsh for people who share their connection to other PCs in the same house. 2Gb is much better and something you could surely only break by getting linux distros and things of an "illegal nature".

Of course i run a HTPC on my main TV which streams music and music videos directly from the net. However im sure some people here will argue that if you have two PCs that are both heavily using the internet we should be paying for two internet connection
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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so saying running costs per customer per month is say £10 (plucked out of the ether lol ) a 3 meg customer downloading 30 gig at 52p per gig = £15.60 thats £12 possible profit per customer per month,Ukonline are offering 8 meg with 500 gig limit starting in my town by end of this month ,bye bye ntl me thinks even if i get a drop off cuz of distance im still onto a winner woohoo lol lol.

Ive seen a lot about abusers and breaking the law etc I just hope that everyone who has the opinion of piracy (which is what we are talking about abusers downloading going over the cap) has never watched a copied dvd,or bought bootleg vodka or beer or bootleg tobacco of copied a cd off a friend or installed xp pro from dubious sources, the list is endless,Im sure theres very few on here who are totaly clean and innocent

yes i was talking about ukonline earlier... you see if i had this option where i live... then dam straight i wouldnt give NTL a second looking. But NTL no theres no competition .... there was competition until they up'd there speeds but the fact is thats as far as it went. Compared to england and the competitive ADSL speeds NTL are "lagging" behind...

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by scastle

I could be wrong, but I *think* you have to sign an 18 month contract for business.

Ok then, apart from that. I'm not talking about contractual differences, i'm just wondering how they can offer businesses such a far more useable service, for the same money each month.

[SMHarman]

The business price is ex VAT so it is not the same money it - add 17.5% to the business numbers.

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

I didnt say i couldnt get ADSL, like i said bulldog offer 2mb for £2 more than NTL. Firstly I dont like ADSL over Cable and secondly i dont consider paying £2 more for the same service Competition.
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It is not the same service- bulldog is not capped, so this is not a direct comparison.

yes i was talking about ukonline earlier... you see if i had this option where i live... then dam straight i wouldnt give NTL a second looking. But NTL no theres no competition .... there was competition until they up'd there speeds but the fact is thats as far as it went. Compared to england and the competitive ADSL speeds NTL are "lagging" behind...

PLEASE stop comparing ENGLAND to WALES! this is not a fair comparison!! the ukonline speeds are only available in in certain areas, eg central london, not the whole of England!

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

It is not the same service- bulldog is not capped, so this is not a direct comparison.

NTL 2mb has no cap either

Only 1mb will be hard capped later this year.......

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by purenuman

NTL 2mb has no cap either

Only 1mb will be hard capped later this year.......

Are you sure of that? I think you will find you are wrong, but then I may be wrong.

[jonifen]

1Mb has a 3Gb a month download limit
2Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit
3Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit

AFAIA, no connection is intended on being a forced cap in the near future. I think NTL's reason for that is because they would lose a lot of customers having their connection speed capped (or even stopped!) when they reach the limit.

[cookie_365]

Originally Posted by purenuman

NTL 2mb has no cap either

Only 1mb will be hard capped later this year.......

??

My understanding was that there is a 1GB a day 'usage policy' on 2 Meg, only NTL will only take action if you exceed it and it effects other users. But they still can if you do and it does. Can't be mithered to post a link to the terms & conditions ...

[jonifen]

Originally Posted by cookie_365

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My understanding was that there is a 1GB a day 'usage policy' on 2 Meg, only NTL will only take action if you exceed it and it effects other users. But they still can if you do and it does. Can't be mithered to post a link to the terms & conditions ...

lol, no point... its been quoted on every page through this thread I'm sure.

I said download limit on my previous thread... was trying to think of a less forced comment... "usage policy" is right

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Millay

Im a heavy user, id be more than happy to pay a premium, for a more realistic cap level.... I certinaly dont think its fairof us to sit here and moan about it, if we want something you have to pay for it, bandwith costs money..

Couldnt agree more
Good Post.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Are you sure of that? I think you will find you are wrong, but then I may be wrong.

I'm sure!

Originally Posted by cookie_365

??

My understanding was that there is a 1GB a day 'usage policy' on 2 Meg, only NTL will only take action if you exceed it and it effects other users. But they still can if you do and it does. Can't be mithered to post a link to the terms & conditions ...

Exactly! No hard (or otherwise) cap for 2 & 3mb just a 1GB a day 'usage policy' and they will only take action if you constantly exceed it and it affects other users............ Hardly a cap.

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Originally Posted by jonifen

1Mb has a 3Gb a month download limit
2Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit
3Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit

AFAIA, no connection is intended on being a forced cap in the near future. I think NTL's reason for that is because they would lose a lot of customers having their connection speed capped (or even stopped!) when they reach the limit.

1mb will have a hard cap later in the year.....

[chickendippers]

Originally Posted by Avatar

Running TS2 server and web servers, with some gaming on top and a few downloads ive broken a gig, and this is not by mass downloading warez or any such crap. whats the point in 1Mb lines when there is a bw cap?

Running web and game servers is not what I'd call "normal usage" (and obviously not what ntl call it either).

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Running web and game servers is not what I'd call "normal usage" (and obviously not what ntl call it either).

And what about hosting a game server on xbox live? That's definitely supported by NTL, and is therefore normal usage.

[Pia]

I don't see the problem here
Ntl have not enforced a 'strict cap' as yet or so i am led to believe.
Well....this is a quote from the ntl usage allowance faq:

http://www.home.ntl.com/page/usagefaq]
What happens if i reach my usage allowance?
Over the next 12 months, ntl will provide tools to allow customers to measure their data usage. When these tools are available, customers who approach their data allowance will be able to choose to

• reduce their data usage for the remainder of the month
• upgrade to a tier of service with a higher usage allowance
• pay for usage above their allowance

Until these tools are available, ntl will monitor usage but not apply the 3gb allowance, except in cases where heavy use is affecting network performance.

Pretty self explanatory to me.
I presume the same goes for the 1 gb a day cap. I am not worried about going over the cap, if people want to then they won't really lose out, they may just have to pay extra money, or upgrade.

[chickendippers]

Originally Posted by mrlipring

And what about hosting a game server on xbox live? That's definitely supported by NTL, and is therefore normal usage.

Hehe we can get technical about that; it depends if Avatar was running a dedicated game server all day, everday. That is completely different from using XBox to host a game.