1GB Cap Letter!!!!

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by homealone

I'm not sure what you mean by 'believe the crap' - whatever the rights & wrongs, in this instance NTL has given a clear indication of what will be enforced as acceptable use for the three tiers available.

- it may not be to your liking, but I can't see any evidence they are trying to mislead customers - the limits are clearly laid out.

Your description of the contention for any one area ignores the effect of the upstream path - a few heavy users can affect the performance of several others, the bandwith isn't shared as equally as your example suggests.

But we are all in the same boat, after years of being vague about what is 'acceptable use' NTL are putting pegs in the ground - as customers we have the choice of accepting the limits, or taking our business elsewhere. As I see it, the situation really is as simple as that.

Look for most people they see 1mb, 2mb and 3mb as fast connections, they dont realise that the caps actually enforce there connection down to what might as well be a 150k speed. NTL tell you its a good deal, i was already on NTL when they announced the upgraded speed... being a 512k and then 750k customer i didnt have a choice if i upgraded to 2mb. I knew that i would be using my connection to download huge files, NTL already knwe this i'd been a customer abusing there 750k system for over 2 years... NTL uprgraded me even though they knew i used more than 1gb a day even on the 750k (more like 2gb - 3gb a day) so by upgrading me to a faster speed do they really believe this would stop me using my bandwidth... heck no im going to continue doing so at a faster pace than before. If they cut me off then whos fault is it...? mine - of course its mine... but who the hell upgraded me in the first place KNOWING that i was already an abuser - NTL... now tell me which service was better value for OUR money (not NTLs) like i said if you wanna get ****ed thats fine but the fact is you got ****ed its your decision whether you take that or not... telling me im an abuser has got nothing to do with my argument. Look if i was a new user NTL would have everyright to do what they want, but NTL took the risk of upgrading me knowing the consequences...

Imagine a serial killer whos been killing for two years and gets put in jail... but the prision decide to free him and equip him with a larger weapon so he can kill more people WHO THE HELL IS TO BLAME> the killer or the prision???

i rest my case.

[cookie_365]

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

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i guess your one of these guys that likes to make a joke out of bad situations just to feel good ? you can hide behind the sarcasm and continue to take what NTL deal out... party on by all means

No, I'm just one of those people who's looked at the BB offers that are on the table and decided that the one from NTL suits me best.

I was a touch sarcastic, wasn't I? Maybe you should give me a little less to play with next time.

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by cookie_365

No, I'm just one of those people who's looked at the BB offers that are on the table and decided that the one from NTL suits me best.

I was a touch sarcastic, wasn't I? Maybe you should give me a little less to play with next time.

read my previous post, NTL upgraded me... and others im not a new customer

Of course if i was NTL wouldnt of had a clue of how much usage i would use and it would be my full responsibility to adhere to the restrictions.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

Look for most people they see 1mb, 2mb and 3mb as fast connections, they dont realise that the caps actually enforce there connection down to what might as well be a 150k speed. NTL tell you its a good deal, i was already on NTL when they announced the upgraded speed... being a 512k and then 750k customer i didnt have a choice if i upgraded to 2mb. I knew that i would be using my connection to download huge files, NTL already knwe this i'd been a customer abusing there 750k system for over 2 years... NTL uprgraded me even though they knew i used more than 1gb a day even on the 750k (more like 2gb - 3gb a day) so by upgrading me to a faster speed do they really believe this would stop me using my bandwidth... heck no im going to continue doing so at a faster pace than before. If they cut me off then whos fault is it...? mine - of course its mine... but who the hell upgraded me in the first place KNOWING that i was already an abuser - NTL... now tell me which service was better value for OUR money (not NTLs) like i said if you wanna get ****ed thats fine but the fact is you got ****ed its your decision whether you take that or not... telling me im an abuser has got nothing to do with my argument. Look if i was a new user NTL would have everyright to do what they want, but NTL took the risk of upgrading me knowing the consequences...

Imagine a serial killer whos been killing for two years and gets put in jail... but the prision decide to free him and equip him with a larger weapon so he can kill more people WHO THE HELL IS TO BLAME> the killer or the prision???

i rest my case.

Just because NTL are increasing the speeds doesn't mean that you have to download twice as much. Why not download the same as before?

I have chosen to go on the new 1Mb service because my normal usage pattern is achievable within the 3Gb per month cap with some to spare. If I want more than that when the caps are firmly in place I will either pay for the extra or upgrade to a higher tier for a month and then drop back down again.

You are looking at it the wrong way if you look at the volume that someone wants to download in a month and then works out what speed they have to be on to spread that download evenly over the month. The other day I reformatted one of my daughters PCs, reinstalled the operating system and then downloaded antivirus, firewall, windows updates, drivers and a few more things. I wanted them much faster than a dialup would get them and ideally would have preferred a 3Mb connection in order to save time that day.

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Just because NTL are increasing the speeds doesn't mean that you have to download twice as much. Why not download the same as before?

I have chosen to go on the new 1Mb service because my normal usage pattern is achievable within the 3Gb per month cap with some to spare. If I want more than that when the caps are firmly in place I will either pay for the extra or upgrade to a higher tier for a month and then drop back down again.

You are looking at it the wrong way if you look at the volume that someone wants to download in a month and then works out what speed they have to be on to spread that download evenly over the month. The other day I reformatted one of my daughters PCs, reinstalled the operating system and then downloaded antivirus, firewall, windows updates, drivers and a few more things. I wanted them much faster than a dialup would get them and ideally would have preferred a 3Mb connection in order to save time that day.

Most webpages wont load any quicker if u have a faster connection without tweaks to internet explorer or other browsers. I have broadband to download faster, NTL upgraded my speed therefore im going to download more , faster...

the internet is a lovely play im sorry you dont see the many uses i do...

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

Most webpages wont load any quicker if u have a faster connection without tweaks to internet explorer or other browsers. I have broadband to download faster, NTL upgraded my speed therefore im going to download more , faster...

the internet is a lovely play im sorry you dont see the many uses i do...

I must be honest - it's hard to know if you're serious or on a wind up?

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I must be honest - it's hard to know if you're serious or on a wind up?

how about a serious wind up , several trollish features spring to mind

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

how about a serious wind up , several trollish features spring to mind

Now now - we can't assume that

[samuel]

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

Look for most people they see 1mb, 2mb and 3mb as fast connections, they dont realise that the caps actually enforce there connection down to what might as well be a 150k speed. NTL tell you its a good deal, i was already on NTL when they announced the upgraded speed... being a 512k and then 750k customer i didnt have a choice if i upgraded to 2mb. I knew that i would be using my connection to download huge files, NTL already knwe this i'd been a customer abusing there 750k system for over 2 years... NTL uprgraded me even though they knew i used more than 1gb a day even on the 750k (more like 2gb - 3gb a day) so by upgrading me to a faster speed do they really believe this would stop me using my bandwidth... heck no im going to continue doing so at a faster pace than before. If they cut me off then whos fault is it...? mine - of course its mine... but who the hell upgraded me in the first place KNOWING that i was already an abuser - NTL... now tell me which service was better value for OUR money (not NTLs) like i said if you wanna get ****ed thats fine but the fact is you got ****ed its your decision whether you take that or not... telling me im an abuser has got nothing to do with my argument. Look if i was a new user NTL would have everyright to do what they want, but NTL took the risk of upgrading me knowing the consequences...

Imagine a serial killer whos been killing for two years and gets put in jail... but the prision decide to free him and equip him with a larger weapon so he can kill more people WHO THE HELL IS TO BLAME> the killer or the prision???

i rest my case.

Duh - you can't be serious?!? Who is to blame?!?!?
The jail doesn't make him kill people. What a stupid stupid comment. The serial killer who kills people is to blame. If I left my computer in my house and left my door open then yes I am asking to be burgled, BUT it is not me who is at fault. I didn't ask someone to enter my house and take my things. That is against the law regardless of how they did it.

[Pia]

Originally Posted by samuel

Duh - you can't be serious?!? Who is to blame?!?!?
The jail doesn't make him kill people. What a stupid stupid comment. The serial killer who kills people is to blame. If I left my computer in my house and left my door open then yes I am asking to be burgled, BUT it is not me who is at fault. I didn't ask someone to enter my house and take my things. That is against the law regardless of how they did it.

I agree with morgan - of course the prison would be responsible- the killer is just doing what he does, just as people who download are doing what they do. If the network is congested then it will be NTL's 'fault' for upping the speed so much lately.
But at the same time, in my opinion, i don't think ntl really care as long as they are getting plenty of money off us. Which they are, and they will, no matter what anyone says.
Ntl is a hugely successful company- apparently just signed their 3 millionth household up in britain- they can't please everyone can they?
Also, you will probably find that most people do use the service for 'normal' usage, eg; surfing, emails, and playing some games....
Those people might not spend enough time on their pc's to read forums like this- which might be why a lot of the higher users are responding to this thread. If that makes sense.

[samuel]

[QUOTE=piaswales]I agree with morgan - of course the prison would be responsible- the killer is just doing what he does, just as people who download are doing what they do.


Oh, that's alright then. We'll just blame everyone but ourselves.....
Same old story. It's not their fault, so and so told them to do it....
GROW UP EVERYONE. This is the sort of comments that happen in the primary school playground.
So the killer does what he does, and it must of course be someone else's fault - couldn't possibly be his own could it? (probably Ntl's fault then)

[Pia]

Originally Posted by samuel

Oh, that's alright then. We'll just blame everyone but ourselves.....
Same old story. It's not their fault, so and so told them to do it....
GROW UP EVERYONE. This is the sort of comments that happen in the primary school playground.
So the killer does what he does, and it must of course be someone else's fault - couldn't possibly be his own could it? (probably Ntl's fault then)

NTL make a lot of money doing what they do, and as a hugely successful company, indeed, doing what they do, they also know better than most about how to make money. My point being that NTL know exactly what they are doing, like in morgans point- the prison knew the killer would go and kill again- and yet they gave him a bigger weapon to go and do it. Just the same with NTL.
If ntl complain about network congestion then they must take some responsibility, as they have given us the tools to do so.
I have heard many times the old metaphor of " It's like giving you a car that you can drive 300mph in, but only letting you drive to the end of the street".
Those bigwigs at ntl know exactly what they are doing, they aren't in this to be overly concerned over what people are downloading or how much- at the end of the day they are in it primarily make money out of us. If their system didn't work then they would have no custom and no money.

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by piaswales

NTL make a lot of money doing what they do, and as a hugely successful company, indeed, doing what they do, they also know better than most about how to make money. My point being that NTL know exactly what they are doing, like in morgans point- the prison knew the killer would go and kill again- and yet they gave him a bigger weapon to go and do it. Just the same with NTL.
If ntl complain about network congestion then they must take some responsibility, as they have given us the tools to do so.
I have heard many times the old metaphor of " It's like giving you a car that you can drive 300mph in, but only letting you drive to the end of the street".
Those bigwigs at ntl know exactly what they are doing, they aren't in this to be overly concerned over what people are downloading or how much- at the end of the day they are in it primarily make money out of us. If their system didn't work then they would have no custom and no money.

Precisely this was a carefully thought out plan by NTL. If samuel had been kind enough to actually read my posts carefully he would of realised YES i blame my self for the downloading/uploading i do but ultimately NTL knew what amount users were downloading and they decided to take new customers over old ones...

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by piaswales

NTL make a lot of money doing what they do, and as a hugely successful company, indeed, doing what they do, they also know better than most about how to make money. My point being that NTL know exactly what they are doing, like in morgans point- the prison knew the killer would go and kill again- and yet they gave him a bigger weapon to go and do it. Just the same with NTL.
If ntl complain about network congestion then they must take some responsibility, as they have given us the tools to do so.
I have heard many times the old metaphor of " It's like giving you a car that you can drive 300mph in, but only letting you drive to the end of the street".
Those bigwigs at ntl know exactly what they are doing, they aren't in this to be overly concerned over what people are downloading or how much- at the end of the day they are in it primarily make money out of us. If their system didn't work then they would have no custom and no money.

But some users are saying that if you give them a 300mph car then they should be able to drive it at that speed and not 1mph slower 24/7/365. Ever thought along the lines of having a faster speed enables you to do what you want quicker rather than exploiting it to the max for just as long. It's a bit like in the days of Concorde you chose to fly on it because you got there a lot quicker. You didn't travel twice as far because the faster speed allowed you to do so in the same time.

As for NTL being in it to make money, what a fantastic idea it is for a business to actually want to make a profit. Most ISPs have not made any money out of broadband and are desperately looking for ways to change this situation. They cannot do this if they are allowing some customers to pay £38 per month for a service that should cost £2-£300 per month for the usage levels they have.

[0 morgan 0]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

But some users are saying that if you give them a 300mph car then they should be able to drive it at that speed and not 1mph slower 24/7/365. Ever thought along the lines of having a faster speed enables you to do what you want quicker rather than exploiting it to the max for just as long. It's a bit like in the days of Concorde you chose to fly on it because you got there a lot quicker. You didn't travel twice as far because the faster speed allowed you to do so in the same time.

As for NTL being in it to make money, what a fantastic idea it is for a business to actually want to make a profit. Most ISPs have not made any money out of broadband and are desperately looking for ways to change this situation. They cannot do this if they are allowing some customers to pay £38 per month for a service that should cost £2-£300 per month for the usage levels they have.

There are others services in the UK but not in Wales that offer much more competitive prices than NTL. The service were getting is the shoody uk service we'd expect from our broadband network , dont give me any bull**** about it should be costing us £300 stop having a laugh.

The problem is the only people arguing against are the people that do jack **** on the internet except probably come on this forum. It's people like you who are stupid enough to pay £35 a month for a speed of which they'll never get any use. So you download this forum 0.5 seconds faster... the only real winners here are the people so called "abusing" the service who are actually just using broadband for its intended use and you know it...