[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike

[nomadking]

Strange that the article by the union leader Len McCluskey appearing in 'The Guardian' mentions money throughout, when it is not supposed to be about money.

minimum standards on terms and conditions, and health and safety.

T&C would include pay.

From Unite website

Minimum standards in relation to rates of pay, hours of work and working/holiday/sickness/redundancy arrangements

So how has the BBC got it wrong?

Originally Posted by Tuftus

One thing does not sound right about all of this.

WHY do RAF personnel need to be trained?

I would have thought that they would be quite competant already with, you know, refuelling jets and stuff with avgas?

I certainly remember seeing fuel tankers on RAF bases in my days as an Air Cadet.

Presumably they need to be familiar with the specific procedures used at civilian filling stations - you know, the proper safety precautions tanker drivers already use as a matter of routine. The safety procedures that make our fuel delivery infrastructure among the safest in the world. The safety procedures that Unite seems to think are not good enough ...

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Strange that the article by the union leader Len McCluskey appearing in 'The Guardian' mentions money throughout, when it is not supposed to be about money.
T&C would include pay.

an interesting article - and it lays bare what Red Len is really up to. As he himself admits, this so-called 'dispute' exists entirely within the private sector, yet he is determined to twist it into an issue with which he can attack the government.

The government, he says, should act as an 'honest broker'. Its response so far amounts to a 'shameful day' for the Tory party.

The tanker drivers are being used. If they strike, they will lose wages and gain nothing. They are merely pawns in Red Len's political game.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Sirus, My rants are from news media coverage, and what oil exceutives has stated, I also stated in my earlier comment, l was watching the guy say it on Tv.

I am only reporting about what is being said, It was said by an oil exec about the standards that have to be set before loading the tanker, so its not a rant from me its fact from what is being said.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Sirus, My rants are from news media coverage, and what oil exceutives has stated, I also stated in my earlier comment, l was watching the guy say it on Tv.

I am only reporting about what is being said, It was said by an oil exec about the standards that have to be set before loading the tanker, so its not a rant from me its fact from what is being said.

So if there standards are so high why are they striking other than to increase there wages which are already higher than the majority of workers in the UK.

Those same workers who will not be able to get to work so will not be able to feed there families or pay there bills. The drivers are after one thing MONEY

I bet you now that when this is over the tanker drivers will have a wage increase and no change to anything else

Originally Posted by Chris

Presumably they need to be familiar with the specific procedures used at civilian filling stations - you know, the proper safety precautions tanker drivers already use as a matter of routine. The safety procedures that make our fuel delivery infrastructure among the safest in the world. The safety procedures that Unite seems to think are not good enough

But in the post before mine, Sirius states that his son was trained to civilian tanker standards and has the certs to prove it.

Whilst I do not doubt that our infrastructure is one of the safest in the world, you don't really hear of major incidents at MOD bases. So, in my opinion, my questions stands, why do they need training?

I guess that fuel is not just kept in the tankers on bases, plus where does the fuel come from in the first place? Or do the civvies deliver that too, just in dark green trucks as opposed to white ones with Asda on them?

Perhaps Kymmy can shed some light?

[Taf]

A bloke on the TV just said it costs him £2 worth of fuel to get to his "ration" of £10 worth each day... a nice little earner for the garage I think.

And this panic buying may well get a few hours' overtime for the tanker drivers having to deliver extra stocks perhaps (tacho hours allowing)?

My car needs a fill up... last time I filled her was in September....

have there even been any dates set yet for the strikes should they even go ahead ,i have looked and cannot find any set dates so it is ridiculous that there is all this panick over something tha may be weeks away if it even happens

[mertle]

Originally Posted by martyh

have there even been any dates set yet for the strikes should they even go ahead ,i have looked and cannot find any set dates so it is ridiculous that there is all this panick over something tha may be weeks away if it even happens

Indeed which why cameron, maude absolute idiots. Why fuel this wondering if they want deflect from the scandel.

Get people in hysterics that government know strike will be very soon.

Its crazy it could be weeks away infact cameron, maude fill your tank up get jerry cans stored is playing into strikers hands.

However why encouraging dangerous practise storing fuel.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

have there even been any dates set yet for the strikes should they even go ahead ,i have looked and cannot find any set dates so it is ridiculous that there is all this panick over something tha may be weeks away if it even happens

I bet they go for the bank holiday to really stick the knife in. They definitely are not getting my support over this.

[mertle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...s-firefighters

Firefighters wants maude to retract his jerrycan stockpile.

Totally agre it puts firefighters job at risk

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I bet they go for the bank holiday to really stick the knife in. They definitely are not getting my support over this.

would not bet on it.

Olympics bigger fish or even summer holiday.

I have my doubt they will go for easter. Might be wrong but think they will use it further down.

The only thing which could be indicators to early strike is the training soldiers to drive tankers.

That might be in the mind unions.

Originally Posted by mertle

Indeed which why cameron, maude absolute idiots. Why fuel this wondering if they want deflect from the scandel.

Get people in hysterics that government know strike will be very soon.

Its crazy it could be weeks away infact cameron, maude fill your tank up get jerry cans stored is playing into strikers hands.

However why encouraging dangerous practise storing fuel.

Two things...

A) I am sure you would have been attacking the government if they had said nothing, asking why they weren't offering advice
B) Jeez - everything is a conspiracy to you, isn't it?

Originally Posted by mertle

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...s-firefighters

Firefighters wants maude to retract his jerrycan stockpile.

Totally agre it puts firefighters job at risk

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would not bet on it.

Olympics bigger fish or even summer holiday.

I have my doubt they will go for easter. Might be wrong but think they will use it further down.

The only thing which could be indicators to early strike is the training soldiers to drive tankers.

That might be in the mind unions.

If they strike ,it will be sooner rather than later .Having the strikes in the summer will leave too much time for a solution to be found which is not want Red Len wants ,he wants to make a statement to the government using strike action and does not want to let common sense prevail and stop him so if there are strikes then they will be over the Easter breaks and bank holidays that follow with a couple of normal working mondays thrown in

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by mertle

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...s-firefighters

Firefighters wants maude to retract his jerrycan stockpile.

Totally agre it puts firefighters job at risk

I presume you mean firefighters lives?

During previous fuel stockpiling petrol was found stored in houses. This could easily make the difference between a small fire with no injuries, and a fully developed house fire with a very probable risk of deaths or serious injuries.

Originally Posted by mertle

would not bet on it.

Olympics bigger fish or even summer holiday.

I have my doubt they will go for easter. Might be wrong but think they will use it further down.

The only thing which could be indicators to early strike is the training soldiers to drive tankers.

That might be in the mind unions.

I don't think they can legally strike as soon as Easter. But the olympics will no doubt be a target.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Two things...

A) I am sure you would have been attacking the government if they had said nothing, asking why they weren't offering advice
B) Jeez - everything is a conspiracy to you, isn't it?

With respect Hugh, MP's shouldn't give advice on subjects they know nothing about. Or they should take advice from people in the know before they make fools of themselves by giving out dangerous (possibly lethal) advice.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When tanker drivers now go to a garage, sometimes the garage is not closed BUT, it only takes a spark ie from a mobile phone to ignite the petrol and BANG.

This is 100% false, mythbuster did this they did all kind of damage to get the phone to make a spark and nada. Enter one staticly charged nylon shell suit then boom.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

This is 100% false, mythbuster did this they did all kind of damage to get the phone to make a spark and nada. Enter one staticly charged nylon shell suit then boom.

I also saw the mythbusters episode. However any electrical equipment that is not intrinsically safe has the potential to cause a spark, although this would usually be down to faulty equipment, and not a spark from the ariel, as they were trying to replicate. And then all it would need is for there to be the correct concentration of air and fuel vapours.

Just for your information, it is the area of about 1m radius around the nozzle when a car is being filled, that is within the most ideal range of flamability.