[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike

Originally Posted by Chris

I see they forgot the part that goes:

"It IS about working up a slim pretext for a dispute into an attack on the national infrastructure in an attempt to bring down the government".........

........."and take over Labour"

Insiders say the general secretary of Unite and his allies are "waging war" on the party's moderate wing.
They are accused of influencing the selection of election candidates — with only the "Unite headbangers" who back Red Len's Left Wing agenda being given a chance to stand.
Mr McCluskey is also enjoying unprecedented access to Ed Miliband, insiders claim — and is said to be making moves to seize more power.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...bour-coup.html

[Taf]

A local supermarket and 3 filling stations all have signs saying they have run out of petrol/diesel.

The panic-buying has started.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

And all this caused by something that can be sorted out by the government.

How do the Government sort out that the drivers want even more money than the 45K they get now. Come on Arthur give us an answer that does not involve its the Tories fault ???

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by Sirius

How do the Government sort out that the drivers want even more money than the 45K they get now. Come on Arthur give us an answer that does not involve its the Tories fault ???

From the above quotes its not about money

[Hom3r]

If I cannot get to work because of this strike I will send the union an invoice for every days pay I lose.

I will even look at getting it through the small claims court.

If I don't work I don't get paid, and public transport is NOT a viable option.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

If I cannot get to work because of this strike I will send the union an invoice for every days pay I lose.

I will even look at getting it through the small claims court.

If I don't work I don't get paid, and public transport is NOT a viable option.

This strike, drivers vs government/company (pension reforms) sounds just the miners strike in the 80's, Thatcher one side Arthur Scargill the over who won......... Strikes never works, it only causes even more job loses than it should be due to the down turn in market turn around & overall margin figures from the strikes themselves. Unions themselves are years out of date are vying for lost power when labour or other partes got voted out from head office at the last big election that's all.

It's down to money lost & revenue on unions part;

Less union members = less money for union > need to reduce manpower numbers
Loss of union power hold on members = they disappear to past tense history
Loss of main funds = lay-offs even reducing salaries of the fat-cat bosses to normal pay levels

Both side are bad as each other but as again the unions have taken the bait with the hook inserted, unions act - the company cost cuts to balance the books then the an over all plan of slow full withdrawal in @5 years then no jobs for anybody - good one you unions fools Haven't we seen this all before ? Yes I have in my life time over + over..... more will as time goes on until people wake to the union main plan - total control of all manpower in work place...not in my life time if I can help it

Just think all of this is all controlled by a group of 6 mega banks in europe folks, little most know about how they control all our life in more way than one. For more money to drive down our economy into the pit, then to take it all for straw strand money

[chris9991]

The BBC are misreporting by the looks of it as apparently money isn't the issue

Unite, the UK's biggest union, is meeting on Wednesday to consider its next steps. It has already said it wants minimum standards covering pay, hours, holiday and redundancy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17533151

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Oh oh, Members are asking me why is it the Tories fault, Lets say many things, The government, no matter who is running the country, make more tax out of fuel than any other selling product.

For example our good neighbours across the pond pay 'today's rate' $4.00 per gallon, WE pay £7.00 per gallon. You go into a garage today WE pay 1.51 per litre.

When tanker drivers now go to a garage, sometimes the garage is not closed BUT, it only takes a spark ie from a mobile phone to ignite the petrol and BANG.

H & S is much more tighter now than when l was growing up, they are only asking for what is right.

When l go to work each day, l spend money like everyone else, we buy products each day and pay bills like everyone else, everything is going up BUT not wages, my wages have been frozen until 2014.

IF the Army are going to deliver fuel, they will have an escort, The army are there to protect the country, NOT to deliver fuel.

This is the governments get out, we don't car about the public WE will keep the main essentials running, we will send in the army.

The government should tell relevant parties sit down and thrash this problem out and KEEP the country running.

[alferret]

I think you are sounding a little confused Arfur. I'm on me phone & short if time (need to get to the garage to fill up as there is some scaremongering going on) so I can't ask what I need to in a quote type of way. Anyway just to start the ball rolling!

Are sparks near fuel a new hazard? If so this is something a all need to be made aware of & just not tanker drivers.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by chris9991

The BBC are misreporting by the looks of it as apparently money isn't the issue



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17533151

said in this thread did'nt think its money its H&S issue.

Too many on thread saying should not go out personally would not be shocked the Anti fuel duty protestors takes the oportunity make it petrol price protest.

I would be shocked if we dont see 2000 style protest on fuel duty.

They had trouble to convince tanker drivers last time to stop there lorries now what cracking oportunity to latch onto another despute.

I fully support tanker drivers on this might be the only one here but as long PAY not the issue I will support them. Even if Its burden to me.

Originally Posted by Taf

A local supermarket and 3 filling stations all have signs saying they have run out of petrol/diesel.

The panic-buying has started.

Not surprised just heard even David Cameron say on LBC radio its a good idea to top up your tank as if people need encouragement.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by richard1960

Not surprised just heard even David Cameron say on LBC radio its a good idea to top up your tank as if people need encouragement.

absolute crazy scaremongering. Dont think this wise at all just will cause more issues. He now trying back down little saying there no imminent strike 7 days grace. So all these panicked buy petrol then when tank needs filling again there either short supply or strike active.

Sensible thing is to carry on as NORMAL when strike date planned THEN FILL UP. Why OH why cameron FUELLING this panic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17533151

Mr Cameron said: "There is no imminent strike. The unions would have to give seven days' notice of any strike so there is no need to queue to buy petrol.
"If there is an opportunity to top up your tank if a strike is potentially on the way, then it is a sensible thing if you are able to do that."

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This government doesn't have a clue, they say keep a spare can in the car, when you get the opportunity to go to a garage, do so.

The LFB have already said that this is a dangerous method of harbouring fuel.

Its also been stated on www.bbcnews.co.uk that what the government are saying is in appropriate to state that fill up quickly to avoid disappointment and they are training RAF personnel to step in.

Also in the same prog it has been said that IF they are not trained up to the standard required they will NOT be allowed to put fuel in the tankers.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by chris9991

The BBC are misreporting by the looks of it as apparently money isn't the issue



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17533151

Then it goes to show that the BBC can no longer be trusted in providing a none biased source of news

Its not the first time in the last few months that the BBC has resorted to News International type reporting.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Also in the same prog it has been said that IF they are not trained up to the standard required they will NOT be allowed to put fuel in the tankers.

My son was fully trained by the military in fuel delivery and did some of his training to civilian standards and he has the tanker qualification cards to prove it. So don't rant about something YOU have had no dealings with Arthur. There again you will be happy i bet to see trouble started between the drivers and the squaddies.

One thing does not sound right about all of this.

WHY do RAF personnel need to be trained?

I would have thought that they would be quite competant already with, you know, refuelling jets and stuff with avgas?

I certainly remember seeing fuel tankers on RAF bases in my days as an Air Cadet.