Euro 2012 - Page 48

thenry · 28-06-2012, 01:19

my point exactly. Xavi looks burnt. Pedro showed more. Navas the fullback getting forward. even with the current 4-6 you need players able to show sparks or its dull and as it has been Spain just about getting it done. tactically you could say it works to control the game or whatever but Portugal proved its risky as it is and against Germany todays tactic will ruin them

i think Navas fullback and Pedro or Fabregas for Xavi for the final. As for the lone striker.. Torres or Llorente. Negredo done nothing.

denphone · 28-06-2012, 05:05

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Originally Posted by danielf

I'm surprised it took him that long. It was the only way to go. He's achieved a lot, and deserves respect, but you simply can't stay after the fiasco that was Euro2012

Now perhaps England will get rid of RH but somehow l cannot see it.

Osem · 28-06-2012, 07:51

Ronaldo the supreme prima donna.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...the-final.html

No sympathy for him here.

**Damien** · 28-06-2012, 08:44

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear

The Spanish coach seems to insist on playing a very unbalanced side, at one point he had 6 central midfielders on the pitch . He took the only striker off then put two wingers on

Spain progressed in spite of the coach not because of him.

Well they've progressed to the final. He is getting results.

Spain, I am now pretty sure, know what they are doing. They seem to keep possession in midfield to draw out the opposition defence and create space in front of the goal and avoid being at risk of a break. They are not scoring as much but nor are they conceding as much.

The problem for Spain going into this tournament was that people had suspected they had been 'figured out'. A blueprint on how to defeat Spain was drawn up in the Chelsea and Inter wins against Barcelona. You don't go to play football, you confine them to the edge of your box and force them to shoot from afar. You sit back in a frankly absurd position and soak up their pressure and, as they get increasingly frustrated and commit more men forward, you await your chance to break. It worked for Chelsea, it could work against Spain.

They have effectively neutralised that threat. They won't be drawn to the edge of their opponents box and hope for an opening. Instead they keep the ball in midfield and await an opening as the opposing team comes to them. They can't be broken against and there will be spacing opening up between the defence and midfield.

They have a clear tactical plan and it's working, although not brilliantly. However they've got to a third successive final without any of their players setting the championships alight and without playing strikers. Can't pretend that isn't a success.

danielf · 28-06-2012, 10:29

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Originally Posted by denphone

Now perhaps England will get rid of RH but somehow l cannot see it.

England's tournament wasn't a complete failure given the player material. Holland's tournament was. They scored two goals, and didn't collect a single point. It's their worst tournament performance ever. That's a failure, particularly given the team's record under Van Marwijk.

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Originally Posted by Damien

They have a clear tactical plan and it's working, although not brilliantly. However they've got to a third successive final without any of their players setting the championships alight and without playing strikers. Can't pretend that isn't a success.

It's not as good to watch though.

Shadow Demon UK · 28-06-2012, 11:29

I was really hoping Portugal would go through. They are far more entertaining to watch than Spain.

denphone · 28-06-2012, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I was really hoping Portugal would go through. They are far more entertaining to watch than Spain.

l know England never created much but with the talented players on show last night one would have expected much better from these talented teams.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 28-06-2012, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Osem

Ronaldo the supreme prima donna.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...the-final.html

No sympathy for him here.

I don't understand... There was a strategy for him to take the final kick (which is a big pressure kick in itself).

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I was really hoping Portugal would go through. They are far more entertaining to watch than Spain.

Me too.

I hate Spain even before yesterday. And I hate all the gushing commentary that follows them whenever they play.

I hope Germany stuff them on Sunday!

danielf · 28-06-2012, 19:36

Come On Germany!!!

denphone · 28-06-2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I don't understand... There was a strategy for him to take the final kick (which is a big pressure kick in itself).

Me too.

I hate Spain even before yesterday. And I hate all the gushing commentary that follows them whenever they play.

I hope Germany stuff them on Sunday!

No no.

Osem · 28-06-2012, 20:18

One of the benefits of seeing England go out is that I can watch the other teams without caring or worrying too much about who gets through and who doesn't.

I'd quite like to see a Spain v. Italy final tbh, the Germans mustn't have everything their way... lol

denphone · 28-06-2012, 20:24

Its always nice to see the Germans in such total defensive chaos.

thenry · 28-06-2012, 20:30

incredible

danielf · 28-06-2012, 20:39

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Originally Posted by danielf

Come On Germany!!!

I have to say though: It is very satisfying to see all those sad German faces in the crowd.

thenry · 28-06-2012, 21:02

this is very enjoyable to watch. i hope Italy get to the final. efficiency vs waste. Spain could be handed a lesson in playing 6 tippy tappy midfielders