Bush And Kerry Admitting Skull and Bones Membership + Acting suspicious.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Evidence under wraps...ok.....so if the evidence is not actually 'there' yet, then it's still only a theory, right? Isn't existence of evidence that which makes something a fact?

When does something become not a theory to you, When its announced on commercial news? that would never happen so its only a fact when YOU as a person know the truth. I rely on my own mind n i know i can do research efficiently ive been able to soruce products as a business man online for years with no problems anything ive wanted. So finding the truth is using a similar formula. As to get these products you have to realise if the person your buying from in trade is legit or not. Same with when dealing with information if its the truth or not. Theres unreal amounts of evidence supporting this just not in the form the average human wants which requires them to do no research or mental work.

That's your right of course but please don't come accross as being so defensive when people doubt your views if you will not (or cannot) provide proof.

im not defensive in the slightest, i just have a reply for you and i can supply proof. Like i said it takes time, good things come to those who wait. Albert einstien didnt just wake up one day with all this knowledge, it was the product of pure research and he knew what the government were upto as i can see now. You guys need to chill n look into it yourself or simply wait.


I think it might be more to do with them having a lot of evidence to support their own theories and ideas so it would be tough to get them to see any other viewpoint if evidence is not produced.

I'd love to see these theories. Because no theory changes the media story which is a lie or the fact the politicians cant answer questions.

This is not a theory of how it happened this is just taking the story apart to see its a lie, how it happened im not going to go into because people arent ready for that info.


And you'd keep them to yourself of course as all posters on CF need to stick to our T&Cs.

You're right it's not your job to research information for people but do you not think it might give your views more momentum if you did? otherwise this thread will just sink in to the forum history just like all the other conspiracy theory threads we've had which people have not posted evidence in?

If you want to expose these conspiracies, wouldn't it be in your interest to keep them at the front of people's imagination?

I would keep them to myself not because im told but because it would only make me a fool to do otherwise i dont know these people so ive nothing to say on what they've seen or read, but when i hear responses ive heard thousands of times before, its to predictable.

i agree, n like i said ill continue to post bits of evidence if people are interested to see. As for conspiracies ive never once mentioned this word.

Conspiracies are what 9/11 and 7/7 are yes at a surface level but beyond that they are much much more. These are events to change the world. People just dont learn from history to see this and im not actually trying to expose anything really i just have alot of knoweldge on these subjects n read alot so i thought i'd bring them to a forum which had an older age range of people on here.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

When does something become not a theory to you

When supported credible evidence is offered.

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

I would keep them to myself not because im told but because it would only make me a fool to do otherwise

No, you keep them to yourself as otherwise you'd risk breaking the site's T&Cs. If this happens infraction points get awarded and once you reach a certain level you wouldn't be able to post here. I don't know if that makes CableForum part of the global conspiracy to hide these 'facts' but you agreed to our T&Cs when you signed up.

I am young and I don't buy the media's storys. However, I also have respect for the value of a source. Which you clearly do not.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am young and I don't buy the media's storys. However, I also have respect for the value of a source. Which you clearly do not.

what books have u read about 9/11 being a conspiracy?

oh and my sources come by the thousands, even michael Meacher Ex MP know 9/11 was an inside job and many high up military officers.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

When supported credible evidence is offered.



No, you keep them to yourself as otherwise you'd risk breaking the site's T&Cs. If this happens infraction points get awarded and once you reach a certain level you wouldn't be able to post here. I don't know if that makes CableForum part of the global conspiracy to hide these 'facts' but you agreed to our T&Cs when you signed up.

i cant say being banned when im a member of about 40 forums most of them double the size of this one of them with over a million users which im a mod of really would make me loose sleep, but im mature enough to not get banned anyway, unless this board goes on nazi style n restricts freedom of speech?

Otherwise theres no problems as for my information being prooven, people beg for proof but do not understand in what form it comes in.

Understand research, then you understand how truth comes.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

Otherwise theres no problems as for my information being prooven, people beg for proof but do not understand in what form it comes in.

And so far it's come in the forum of..."go find out for yourself".

People are willing to believe you, if you provide evidence. I see no benefit to you or your cause by offering proof then claiming to only provide bits and pieces.

[THESHAOLIN1]

ive posted quite a few videos already which proove parts of what ive been saying....have u not watched any of them

[Russ]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

ive posted quite a few videos already which proove parts of what ive been saying....have u not watched any of them

Think you've just answered your own question there. What you have posted has not convinced me that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy. I'm willing to believe that it was used as an excuse to go to war, but the actual twin tower attacks, I refuse to believe any man or woman is cold hearted enough to give the go-ahead for that to happen.

Nothing you have posted (yet) has changed my mind. I invite you to do something about that.

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

what books have u read about 9/11 being a conspiracy?

I have not read any books, but since they already have a motive and a agenda to set out it's unlikely to be credible. I have read a lot about 9/11, I have watched Terrorstorm, listened to Alex Jones, Watched Loose Change, read the Popular mechanics examination and debunking of the 9/11 report. I also read a lot of the rebuttals to that.

Overall the 9/11 movement has little respect for using a good source, their sources are always weak "look at other building" or people who already believe in the conspiracy theory. They have 'lecturers' at universities who are not even experts in the area they are examing.

So no, we are not all stupid or brought into a lie. We just need credible evidence and good sources before we believe random youtube videos and people on the internet.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Think you've just answered your own question there. What you have posted has not convinced me that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy. I'm willing to believe that it was used as an excuse to go to war, but the actual twin tower attacks, I refuse to believe any man or woman is cold hearted enough to give the go-ahead for that to happen.

Nothing you have posted (yet) has changed my mind. I invite you to do something about that.

if you really think i get drawn in n believe stuff based on a few videos n articles you really underestimate my mind.

Like i said let me build the evidence up ill keep doing topics n keep checking them, but im a busy guy so bear with me, im only on the pc at the moment because i need to check my emails n respond.

I'm right out of popcorn..I'll be back...

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I have not read any books, but since they already have a motive and a agenda to set out it's unlikely to be credible. I have read a lot about 9/11, I have watched Terrorstorm, listened to Alex Jones, Watched Loose Change, read the Popular mechanics examination and debunking of the 9/11 report. I also read a lot of the rebuttals to that.

Overall the 9/11 movement has little respect for using a good source, their sources are always weak "look at other building" or people who already believe in the conspiracy theory. They have 'lecturers' at universities who are not even experts in the area they are examing.

So no, we are not all stupid or brought into a lie. We just need credible evidence and good sources before we believe random youtube videos and people on the internet.

Read a book then we can talk until then take your commercial alex jones videos like terrorstorm and loose change which are only put there for simple minded people who cant read, oh and your popular mechanics who was obviously paid off by the elite, as another company was suppose to be doing the report but then popular mechanics came about which is no proof of anything.

Money can buy that lie.

and no just read Alice in wonderland and the world trade centres and that alone will put into perspective the reality.

The youtube videos are just more evidence, as for what i say, never did i expect people to believe me, i assumed i was talking to humans with there own mind capabilities? but if im talking to robots who cannot perform basic tasks like type something in on google n see where it takes you to correlate information n see whats being said, i beg my pardon.

and if you've believed the popular mechanics report how can you say you havnt believed a lie? your hating on me but not researching thus i can only say you've believed a lie. Because in your eyes im the problem here.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Damien

So no, we are not all stupid or brought into a lie. We just need credible evidence and good sources before we believe random youtube videos and people on the internet.

That's the problem. On the Internet, we don't really know who we are talking to, and what their area of expertise is. I'm not going to, but I could write an article on most subjects , and with minimal actual research (with or without credible sources), I could make it convincing to the layman.

I also have access to the resources required to make a fairly convincing video (including special FX if needed). It doesn't automatically follow that what I produced was correct.

This is the problem with the Internet (and technology in general). While it has given us access to an exponentially greater amount of information than we had before, not all of that information is from credible sources.

Of course, that problem has affected the media as well. Many times, I've sat there listening to the news, hearing some "expert" talk, thinking what a bunch of crap they were saying. Of course, when dealing with the media, we don't really know who we are talking to, and what their area of expertise is either.

Read a book then we can talk until then take your commercial alex jones videos like terrorstorm and loose change which are only put there for simple minded people who cant read, oh and your popular mechanics who was obviously paid off by the elite, as another company was suppose to be doing the report but then popular mechanics came about which is no proof of anything.

Well I spotted many lies in Terrorstorm, so thats not really saying much if it's for 'stupid people'. Also, your placing too much faith in the power of a 'book'. I know when your young there's the 'it's in a book so it must be true'. It's actually not.

Unless the book has real evidence and real sources then it's not someone ranting. Making money off people naive enough to think global issues are summed up as one big story.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well I spotted many lies in Terrorstorm, so thats not really saying much if it's for 'stupid people'. Also, your placing too much faith in the power of a 'book'. I know when your young there's the 'it's in a book so it must be true'. It's actually not.

Unless the book has real evidence and real sources then it's not someone ranting. Making money off people naive enough to think global issues are summed up as one big story.

and what lies were these? go into detail if your gonna call something a lie....

and no because the difference with books is they have bibliographies which are information sourced from thousands of places, people with a brain if they want the truth look deeper into the words spoke within the books which is exactly what i do.

Anyone half wise knows books is where the most truth is written and laid out.

i mean even guys like benjamin franklin have quotes about whats going on in the world is the biggest conspiracy known to man so big they will find it hard impossible to believe.

you really have no clue how to do research, and dont try use my age against me when i can clearly see your age has not benefited your mentality + i own alot for my age and know alot more than the average. A fact which i need not proove to anyone.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

and what lies were these? go into detail if your gonna call something a lie....

and no because the difference with books is they have bibliographies which are information sourced from thousands of places, people with a brain if they want the truth look deeper into the words spoke within the books which is exactly what i do.

Anyone half wise knows books is where the most truth is written and laid out.

i mean even guys like benjamin franklin have quotes about whats going on in the world is the biggest conspiracy known to man so big they will find it hard impossible to believe.

you really have no clue how to do research, and dont try use my age against me when i can clearly see your age has not benefited your mentality + i own alot for my age and know alot more than the average. A fact which i need not proove to anyone.

oh yea you da man