1GB Cap Letter!!!!

[th'engineer]

You go away for a few days and off NTL go again

[obvious]

Just found this on page 3 of ntl's Q3 2003 results

Contributing to the improvement in combined segment profit was the increased number of high-margin broadband customers

On the one hand, they're gloating about how high their profit margin is on broadband and on the other they're issuing warning letters.

It stinks.

WHILE profit=massive AND congestion=TRUE THEN upgrade_network=TRUE

seems to make more sense than

WHILE customers=bent_over AND private_jet=not_big_enough THEN screw_customers=TRUE

[Robert Atkins]

Originally Posted by obvious

Just found this on page 3 of ntl's Q3 2003 results
On the one hand, they're gloating about how high their profit margin is on broadband and on the other they're issuing warning letters.

It stinks.

WHILE profit=massive AND congestion=TRUE THEN upgrade_network=TRUE

seems to make more sense than

WHILE customers=bent_over AND private_jet=not_big_enough THEN screw_customers=TRUE

Obvious,

there is solution, it was proposed on the .com days, anticap should ask all punters to download their allowance of 1Gb between 6-8pm EVERY DAY, think about it .... NTL will have no choice but change their AUP.

Rob

[obvious]

Originally Posted by Robert Atkins

Obvious,

there is solution, it was proposed on the .com days, anticap should ask all punters to download their allowance of 1Gb between 6-8pm EVERY DAY, think about it .... NTL will have no choice but change their AUP.

Rob

I dont think things have come to that just yet. I'm still hoping that keeping a high profile on any moves towards capping will be enough to make ntl think twice.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by obvious

I dont think things have come to that just yet. I'm still hoping that keeping a high profile on any moves towards capping will be enough to make ntl think twice.

Nice to see the petition is still there but it needs more signatures now really need to get it up to nearer the amount of NTL customers.

If we keep knocking on NTLs door they sooner or later have to open it and we are knocking.

[Ramrod]

In the news, and here
and this is interesting as well

[obvious]

Originally Posted by Kitty

Nice to see the petition is still there but it needs more signatures now really need to get it up to nearer the amount of NTL customers.

If we keep knocking on NTLs door they sooner or later have to open it and we are knocking.

Yes, not only still there but just over the 10,000 signature mark and that's without ntl actually informing people about the cap/policy/guideline/fudge.

Anyone who'd like to add a link to the petition in their sig would be giving the whole campaign a boost.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by Robert Atkins

Obvious,

there is solution, it was proposed on the .com days, anticap should ask all punters to download their allowance of 1Gb between 6-8pm EVERY DAY, think about it .... NTL will have no choice but change their AUP.

Rob

I don't think I can agree with that. One of the reasons for arguing to ntl that the cap is unreasonable is that it prevents customers normal residential use from being performed. Normal residential use, being the downloading of whatever amount they usually require at whatever time they ususally choose to do it, whether that be "light", "average" or "heavy" dependent on your viewpoint. Falsifying the use pattern, would not assist in that.

It is by demonstrating to ntl that the cap prevents their customers from using the service, that will change attitudes, when this starts to hit ntl in the pocket by customers failing to sign up, or leaving for mor flexible ISPs.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

In the news, and here
and this is interesting as well

the first one should be this I think.

then there is this one also.
about the customers getting the letters

You could also get NTL into the ISP complaints data if you are having problems by filling in hte complaints form on ispreview. this puts them onto the isp complaints page if enough have problems.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Kitty

the first one should be this I think.

.

Thats the same link

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats the same link

try the one in your post not mine.. I got page couldn't be displayed.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

One day maybe anticap will stop seeing what they want to see - segment profits are EBITDA ones, if you're going to do a campaign based on ntl's apparently huge profiteering you might want to check what EBITDA etc are.
If you're serious about making your campaign work RTFM, at the moment all of this is exactly the same as the original AUP change thread, mostly hot air and ideas of how you can miraculously pressure ntl. I can't see that this is being over-enforced, mostly extra heavy users, apart from that nothing else. Why are people panicking, until you receive a letter what's the problem? It's not like teacher is going to tick you off for not doing home work. Until this directly afffects you relax.

At what threshold of limit would you suffer? Ntl have in the past strongly hinted to us that if anything they think the current 1GB is quite high

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

While you're at it have a look at the comments on ISPReview regarding your campaign, quite amusing actually

Your site nearly died previously, virtually no visitors, no doubt this'll increase hits numbers, for a few weeks, then indifference will reign again.

True the site is not busy, but then we conciously made a decision not to widen our remit which could dilute the sole purpose of the site. How come so many online media sites take an interest in our point of view, if anticap isn't relevant?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Kitty

try the one in your post not mine.. I got page couldn't be displayed.

Strange, works for me. But thanks for re-posting it

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

1GB/day is ok with me, at the moment though only seems to be being enforced on much higher users for the most part.

I've no idea why online media sites take any interest in your point of view to be honest, I guess it's something to fill the column inches with. I find your site wholly amateurish, and you guys lacking in industry knowledge, experience, technical skill, any concept of how to run an ISP properly, and how to run an effective campaign. Erolz appears to have left you which is a shame, he would have been a huge asset, he knows what he's doing, your treasurer does too, shame he's not about more.

I do like the way ISPreview and Mark J portrayed it like people actually care what you have to say, ditto The Register, there's only 5 of you so not entirely sure why 'a spokesman' talked. '"This is the first time we are aware of any letters being sent out. If these letters had been sent out in any number at all in the past we would have heard about it," he said.' Profound stuff indeed.

Frankly I think Anticap have as much potency as the queue for a Viagra convention, though that is just my opinion

You are of course entitled to your view.

Yes Erolz was a loss from the experience point of view. Our treasurer is around when he needs to be.

Increased expertise would be nice so we can argue on a technical as well as consumer level. Of course if there is anyone who wished to assist, we would be pleased to hear from them.

The site as a whole, it is run by consumers of residential ISP services. Inevitably therefore we are amateurs and make no aplogy for that. That is the case of a good many web sites and lobby groups. As this thread has shown, the majority of those who have an interest in a cap policy (whether they are for, against or indifferent to its impostion) will be the consumers whom it might affect. Thus it is only right, in my view that the campaign is run as it is.

[obvious]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN0b

One day maybe anticap will stop seeing what they want to see - segment profits are EBITDA ones, if you're going to do a campaign based on ntl's apparently huge profiteering you might want to check what EBITDA etc are.
If you're serious about making your campaign work RTFM, at the moment all of this is exactly the same as the original AUP change thread, mostly hot air and ideas of how you can miraculously pressure ntl. I can't see that this is being over-enforced, mostly extra heavy users, apart from that nothing else. Why are people panicking, until you receive a letter what's the problem? It's not like teacher is going to tick you off for not doing home work. Until this directly afffects you relax.

Well well, whose panicking? So your saying that "high-margin broadband customers" means something other than the obvious? And your stance seems to be "If it doesn't directly affect me I dont give a monkeys" - Nice

While you're at it have a look at the comments on ISPReview regarding your campaign, quite amusing actually
Your site nearly died previously, virtually no visitors, no doubt this'll increase hits numbers, for a few weeks, then indifference will reign again.

Very funny. The campaign virtually closed down due to the fact that we had won the first battle. Not a single ntl customer has been capped to this day. Maybe that's got something to do with all the effort we put in? Now another skirmish kicks off. We'll see how it goes.

I've no idea why online media sites take any interest in your point of view to be honest, I guess it's something to fill the column inches with. I find your site wholly amateurish, and you guys lacking in industry knowledge, experience, technical skill, any concept of how to run an ISP properly, and how to run an effective campaign. Erolz appears to have left you which is a shame, he would have been a huge asset, he knows what he's doing, your treasurer does too, shame he's not about more.

We are amateurs and proud of it. We're not in the business of running ISPs. The campaign slowed as we'd already won the first battle. See above.

I do like the way ISPreview and Mark J portrayed it like people actually care what you have to say, ditto The Register, there's only 5 of you so not entirely sure why 'a spokesman' talked. '"This is the first time we are aware of any letters being sent out. If these letters had been sent out in any number at all in the past we would have heard about it," he said.' Profound stuff indeed.

yawn

Frankly I think Anticap have as much potency as the queue for a Viagra convention, though that is just my opinion

LOL