How to achieve anonymity from ntl?

[Ignition]

The only sad part of this is how quickly this guy is dismissed as being crazy, especially considering how little research anyone has done into what he's saying.

I'm not saying he's right or he's wrong however there's rarely smoke without fire and the steady erosion of civil liberties is fairly clear for all to see.

All I'm saying is show tolerance to this guy's views even if they are so completely opposite to yours.

Punky what you said, even though no doubt it got green repped like crazy, was out of order. I'm not a huge fan of this country which is why I'm leaving this **** hole at the earliest opportunity for somewhere I can walk down the street without being harrassed by the chavs my huge taxes support (just to name one issue).

All too easy to accuse people of being paranoid, wrong, etc, I haven't seen anyone who can catagorically prove the guy is wrong either. A few google searches, yeah that proves it all doesn't it? We've already seen slowly unravelling how much BS the govt feeds us.

Either way insults were out of order. He's not the only person who wants this anonymity, else sites offering the service wouldn't exist, would they?

[d3v]

Thanks Ignition and yeah, there is never smoke without fire and it's not like I;m sitting in a dark room all day and night thinking this stuff up and say "ah now that must be what is happening in the world"!

The incremental ersosion of our liberties is not to protect us it is to implement the fascist state and eventally the global government which will centralize the EU, NAC, AU and PA in to a single global superstate.

Basically, glboalization but the not the watered down bull**** that students and so called experts are fed.

[punky]

Originally Posted by d3v

Ha, you watch the news and you ASSUME they are telling you the truth.


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They tell you the world is triangular and you and 99% of people will beleive it. Without evidence or anything, just their word. Do not dispute that.

Ahh, its like you have known me all my life What I actually do is read, digest, research, think and conclude. Sometimes I come to the same conclusion as the government, sometimes I don't.

You assume all terrorist attacks are the result of some government-borne conspiracy. Remember what you said? "all terrorist attacks are egnineered by the top levels of the security services"? Sounds like you are the one who assumes everything and fails to critically analyse the events happening around you. I'd like to hear how David Copeland was engineered by the government to support what theory of yours then?

Aluminum is proven to stop HAARP and certain radio frequencies in their tracks so, um, yeah, I should prevent the waves from affecting your brain.

More than lead, like in your roof, I suppose ?

Originally Posted by d3v

Hi all,

I would like total anonymity from ntl not becuase I visit porn or anything. I just dont want ntl keeping records of all my net activity for reasons I cannot go in to.

How do I do this?

Is it through using proxies that are NOT controlled by ntl? If so what proxy to use?

ultimate anonymity service here - http://www.ultimate-anonymity.com/signup.htm looks ideal and is only a one off fee of £30!

Anyone use that? Could I use firefox browser through it?

What are the pro's and cons of it?

Thanks.

How about I VPN solution, secure and sure there are some companies out there that provide it, there is also the Onion Project (tor).

[d3v]

punky, I'm not saying terrorists are not involve, what I'm saying is that they are ALLOWED to do what they do by the security/intelligence services.

It's called problem-reaction-solution and order out of chaos.

They create problems and chaos and then they offer solutions which benifit their interests in the treaties fixed and counter-legislation, executive laws and such.

Just look...

IRA bombings in England - erosion of civil freedoms and privacy and increase in civil serveilance/control

7/7 21/7 London bombings - ID card, more erosion of freedom privacy and massive consolitation of power and decision making.

911 - same

WACO - same

Oklahama bombings - same

Dunblane massacre - same

Funny how all those events can be proven to of been engineered by the powers that be.

I'd like to see how you justify that last sentence!

[d3v]

Originally Posted by xathras

How about I VPN solution, secure and sure there are some companies out there that provide it, there is also the Onion Project (tor).

Thanks.

VPN looks ideal but whats onion project? Google dident retrun anything of use.

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Originally Posted by JohnHorb

I'd like to see how you justify that last sentence!

Easy.

The Black Nobility of Europe who control the IMF, World Bank, Bank of England, U.S Federal Reserve and every other major bank like it around the world.

Control of money and credit supply = control of the world on every level.

90% of the world wealth is in the hands of the House of Rothschild, the Windsor royals, the Morgan-Rockefeller partnership and a few other major balck nobility families.

But ignore that becuase it's just crap that I make out of thin air


Watch this video for an understanding of how the world really is - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jordan+maxwell

Originally Posted by d3v

Dunblane massacre - same

Funny how all those events can be proven to of been engineered by the powers that be.

Now you really are on another planet.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Ignition

The only sad part of this is how quickly this guy is dismissed as being crazy, especially considering how little research anyone has done into what he's saying.

I'm not saying he's right or he's wrong however there's rarely smoke without fire and the steady erosion of civil liberties is fairly clear for all to see.

All I'm saying is show tolerance to this guy's views even if they are so completely opposite to yours.

Punky what you said, even though no doubt it got green repped like crazy, was out of order. I'm not a huge fan of this country which is why I'm leaving this **** hole at the earliest opportunity for somewhere I can walk down the street without being harrassed by the chavs my huge taxes support (just to name one issue).

All too easy to accuse people of being paranoid, wrong, etc, I haven't seen anyone who can catagorically prove the guy is wrong either. A few google searches, yeah that proves it all doesn't it? We've already seen slowly unravelling how much BS the govt feeds us.

Either way insults were out of order. He's not the only person who wants this anonymity, else sites offering the service wouldn't exist, would they?

Right:

1) I haven't recieved one rep, neither green nor red for any comments in this thread

2) I haven't said he's not allowed to say what he has been saying, but I reserve the right to call it offensive and BOTHO. The only thing I have said is that he maybe should consider the feelings of people whose relatives have died through terrorist attacks. Not unreasonable, i'd thought.

3) Errosion of civil liberties and abuse of citizens by a government is a world away from what he was saying. He was saying ALL terrorist attacks are engineered by governments and that there are no such things are terrorists who want to harm the government or its citizens. Bit of a difference.

4) Never once has even provided even the slightest hint of any kind of proof of his extremely outlandish claims. Therefore there isn't even any smoke, let alone a fire. Am I supposed to believe him without any sort of evidence? Isn't that as bad as automatically believing the government?

5) I am sorry you think I was out of order. That is never my intention. However, its easier to sit back and bitch than to do something about it. If you don't like the situation, change it. At least my family did something about it. Criticising the government is one thing, but if someone shares the opinions of d3v and have such a hatred, then its about time they put their opinions where their mouth is. Again, this is entirely option on their part.

6) Bottom line is, i'll believe a conspiracy theory if someone could actually prove it.

Originally Posted by d3v

Easy.

The Black Nobility of Europe who control the IMF, World Bank, Bank of England, U.S Federal Reserve and every other major bank like it around the world.

Control of money and credit supply = control of the world on every level.

90% of the world wealth is in the hands of the House of Rothschild, the Windsor royals, the Morgan-Rockefeller partnership and a few other major balck nobility families.

But ignore that becuase it's just crap that I make out of thin air


Watch this video for an understanding of how the world really is - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jordan+maxwell

You said 'can be proven'. Even if the above were true, it doesn't in any remote shape or form justify your earlier claim.

Onion project:-

http://tor.eff.org/index.html

[d3v]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Now you really are on another planet.

Have you looked at the version of events BESIDES the official line????

Do you realise that there are dozens of intelligence/security people and government people who believe 911 was engineered by top elements within the security services in America?

The truth is coming out and not just by conspiracy theorists right now and people need to get infofmed becuase this globalization process will be complete in only a matter of a few years.

It's not an event far far away, my friend, and if you value your freedom and way of life as it is now you will get informed and inform others.

[punky]

Originally Posted by d3v

punky, I'm not saying terrorists are not involve, what I'm saying is that they are ALLOWED to do what they do by the security/intelligence services.

It's called problem-reaction-solution and order out of chaos.

They create problems and chaos and then they offer solutions which benifit their interests in the treaties fixed and counter-legislation, executive laws and such.

Just look...

IRA bombings in England - erosion of civil freedoms and privacy and increase in civil serveilance/control

7/7 21/7 London bombings - ID card, more erosion of freedom privacy and massive consolitation of power and decision making.

911 - same

WACO - same

Oklahama bombings - same

Dunblane massacre - same

Funny how all those events can be proven to of been engineered by the powers that be.

Evidence?

Anyone can make up conspiracy theories, but not many can prove them (Watergate, etc)

[d3v]

3) Errosion of civil liberties and abuse of citizens by a government is a world away from what he was saying. He was saying ALL terrorist attacks are engineered by governments and that there are no such things are terrorists who want to harm the government or its citizens. Bit of a difference.

4) Never once has even provided even the slightest hint of any kind of proof of his extremely outlandish claims. Therefore there isn't even any smoke, let alone a fire. Am I supposed to believe him without any sort of evidence? Isn't that as bad as automatically believing the government?

5) I am sorry you think I was out of order. That is never my intention. However, its easier to sit back and bitch than to do something about it. If you don't like the situation, change it. At least my family did something about it. Criticising the government is one thing, but if someone shares the opinions of d3v and have such a hatred, then its about time they put their opinions where their mouth is. Again, this is entirely option on their part.

6) Bottom line is, i'll believe a conspiracy theory if someone could actually prove it.

If you want proof, get your news from www.rinf.com and like I said earlier, google for Dr. Michael Parenti, Dr. John Coleman, Jordan Maxwell... all of those people say the same thing and know the truth of things.

What makes you think I sit and bitch and not doing anything about it? Most of my money goes in to exposing the black nobilities control over the world wealth and thus, control over the world and thus, OUR LIVES!

Evidence?

Anyone can make up conspiracy theories, but not can prove them (Watergate, etc)

Evidence: Look above.

People do not "make" conspiracy theories. Your idea of conspiracy theories and theorists is the classic cliche image which is utterly flawed and false.

Originally Posted by d3v

Have you looked at the version of events BESIDES the official line????

What version would that be then - the one where a top secret government agent decided to shoot a load of children in a scottish school and blame it on a local nutter - presumably to give them an excuse to ban hand guns ? I take it Hungerford was also another such agent, and staged to allow the banning of semi-automatic rifles .... Hmmm .... right

Originally Posted by d3v

Do you realise that there are dozens of intelligence/security people and government people who believe 911 was engineered by top elements within the security services in America?

So what ? There are a lot of people who think the moon is made of cheese

Originally Posted by d3v

It's not an event far far away, my friend, and if you value your freedom and way of life as it is now you will get informed and inform others.

I'm not your friend, if I were i'd advise you to see a shrink.

[punky]

Sorr d3v, you aren't helping your cause here.

If anyone doesn't believe you 100% you assume they are gullible, ignorant and swallow the government line 100%. You are worse than your opinion of people who disagree with what you say.

Its hard to take you seriously. Actually... Are here under the government's orders to discredit conspiracy theorists?