Second Scotland Referendum 'Highly Likely'

First set of post-Brexit polls but support for Scottish Independence at 59%. Probably indicating some of the difficulty the SNP will have as that number is likely to come down. The question is what continues to happen in the aftermath and if Sturgeon gets any suggestion from the EU that they could stay.

If she got assurances Scotland would be admitted under the UK terms and gave notice of her intention to call a referendum upon the triggering of Article 50 then things could get interesting.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Yes this "stole our future" is popping up more and more but as the figures show the majority weren't that bothered about their future to take half an hour to vote for their future. In the past on this forum I've defended the younger generations when they have been accused of not working hard enough and so on but this time I'm sorry but they are sounding like entitled brats who are having a hissy fit because they didn't get what they want. That's not even touching the insult of us older people not giving a thought to the futures of our kids and grandkids which is completely ridiculous.

Vote was done leave won and it isn't going to be ignored or reversed so it's time to get behind the country or go off and sulk quietly but give the whining a rest.

to be fair i think big brother was on and it did rain a bit ,i have two boys age 29 and 26 both voted both were passionate about it ,who knows what rest of em where doing that was more important than their own future .

[Gavin78]

I would assume Scotland wouldn't meet the criteria for joining?

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Damien

Would Parliament give them a binding vote again? If they do I think Scotland leaves. The only issue is how do they get back into the EU? What do they do about currency?

Worst case scenario for us is they become the accessor state. Basically Scotland retains our membership. Not sure how feasible that is. If the EU wanted to make it happen though they would find a way.

On your first question, I don't know. If the SNP made enough noise, then they could get another vote and I agree with you, I think they'll go this time. Whether we like it or not, England and Scotland have voted in two very different ways, in effect starting a divorce process....

On the EU and currency issues, it could go two ways:

1. Scotland votes to leave the UK and Scotland becomes a independent nation. Under this scenario, Scotland would have to negotiate to join the EU from scratch. Until then they would use the pound but I doubt the Bank of England would underwrite that.... so could get very messy. And besides, Spain has already indicated it would veto any attempt by Scotland to join the EU as its worried about its own backyard and regions breaking away.

2. The UK (as a whole) agrees to split into two parts, like Czechoslovakia did. Scotland being one part and the rest of the UK being the other part. Under this scenario, as the old UK was still in the EU, Scotland would state that they wished to remain in the EU. Whether the rest of the UK agrees to this is another matter entirely. How amenable England would be to Scotland in the event of a breakup of the UK is key? Zero, I think.

They would have to adopt the euro as again the BoE would not underwrite Scottish debt.

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Originally Posted by nashville

We do not all want to leave the United Kingdom , this annoys me when we get a comment saying" Let them go" I love being part of Britain and want to stay like this, But Nicola and her hunt to go down in history as the one to break us up, just like Salmond, really gets me angry. She should be trying to make the U K stronger and work together for us all. I have family living in London and we should all be as one,. I am not a hateful person but I hate the S N P for their search for power,

I hate Tony Blair. When he created the devolved institutions he was warned it would lead to the eventual breakup of the country.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think we need to take the threat seriously. We almost got burnt last time by underestimating the support for independence and this time the message will be far more potent. Serious Unionists from last time are currently supportive of the idea at the moment.

Again, agree.

All the EU stuff would be eclipsed in a second by Scotland going independent. Imagine the mess of de tangling a country that has been politically united for 300 years and culturally for far longer.

When has a divorce ever been pleasant?

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Originally Posted by RBMark

An Scotland only had a 60% turnout, so only 60% of those that voted wanted to remain 40% of those that voted wanted to leave, and 40% of the 100% eligible to vote didn't care if they leave or remain so didn't bother to vote.

Doesn't matter about those who don't vote. It's what the result of those that do vote which matters.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I would assume Scotland wouldn't meet the criteria for joining?

They don't, they have been told, and at some point even wee nippy will get it

Maybe then 'even the English' will be better than sweet FA as a completely independent nobody, with no crutch needed to support them.

[nashville]

This is a worrying time. I just hope SHE does not get her way, I don't think Scotland wants to lose the £ ghis may help us.

[ianch99]

Isn't this all hot air? I have not heard of any existing legal statute that can be used to force a second Scottish vote.

If there isn't a case in law and since the law for such an instrument is made in Westminster then this is all pointless, right?

Scotland may want to stay in the EU and may want to leave the UK but wanting and getting are two different things.

[Hom3r]

My granddad was a proud Scot, but was happy to serve for King and country.

He would call Sturgeon a traitor.

Let Scotland have independence , let them remain in the EU, I'm sure the EU can't wait to replace the money Scotland gets from the Barnett Formula... In excess of £10'000 per person in Scotland.

[Pierre]

The title of this thread must surely, for accuracy, be changed to:

Second Scotland Referendum highly likely, as long as it looks like they'll will win, otherwise it may take a while and they wll wait, by which time the EU may have dissolved and their argument will no longer exist, and finally they may just shut the f*** up.

Could you sort that out please.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

My granddad was a proud Scot, but was happy to serve for King and country.

He would call Sturgeon a traitor.

Or Jimmy krankie.

[Gavin78]

What I don't get is Scotland didn't want to be ruled by Westminster hence the first vote. So why have a 2nd vote to be ruled by the EU it doesn't make sense

That women has her own agenda and that doesn't inc the Scottish people

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I would assume Scotland wouldn't meet the criteria for joining?

They might reasonably argue they never left.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

IF Nicola got her way. Scotland will be bankrupt within 12 months. Can Scotland afford the millions that Brussels want PER WEEK.

There was talk that Scotland could survive on the revenue from North Sea oil. There ONLY income l believe.

Nicola, is in dreamland as far as l am concerned. I am married to a Scot. I do work for some Scots, and wont accept Scottish currency. As some shops wont accept Irish money either

The Scottish people, and they are brilliant. Made there decision. and therefore are the control of the Government in London.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

What I don't get is Scotland didn't want to be ruled by Westminster hence the first vote. So why have a 2nd vote to be ruled by the EU it doesn't make sense

That women has her own agenda and that doesn't inc the Scottish people

It's quite clear what she, Salmond and her cohorts are.

They give the impression of being left leaning, whereas in fact they are far right. What they have kept control of, the "agenda" as you put it, is what they're about, and that is a hatred of England. It's break off from England, no matter what, is their agenda. The Scots voted for the SNP, that is their right and they'll have to live by that decision.

I have always thought of the Scots as my people, because they were. Now, I don't. I think they're foreign, alien thinking to us and I hope they all **** off. Salmond wins.

Bring on the wall....!

[beeman]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

IF Nicola got her way. Scotland will be bankrupt within 12 months. Can Scotland afford the millions that Brussels want PER WEEK.

There was talk that Scotland could survive on the revenue from North Sea oil. There ONLY income l believe.

Nicola, is in dreamland as far as l am concerned. I am married to a Scot. I do work for some Scots, and wont accept Scottish currency. As some shops wont accept Irish money either

The Scottish people, and they are brilliant. Made there decision. and therefore are the control of the Government in London.

Uk membership fee is baised on GDP so Scotland wont pay anything like the £160m pw (NOT £350m as advertised) that the whole of the UK pay.

While oil is their biggest income they do also have quite an affective financial sector. IF Scotland leaves the UK AND IF they retain EU membership AND IF the RUK pull out of the EU without a free-trade agreement including services i could see much of the city moving to Scotland.

If i were Nicola the first people i would be talking to would be CEOs at HSBC, BARCLAYS, CITI etc