Brexit and our government - a personal story

[Gavin78]

I totally agree that people should vote either way.

However the reports show that the EU us worried that if we pull out the whole thing could collapse.

If it is so unstable that 1 country can pull out and the whole thing topples over then for me that just says it's a sinking ship and we are going to get pulled under with them if we don't vote out.

[Stephen]

Its not that its unstable but if we leave then other may follow.

[techguyone]

I suspect that a lot of other Countries are watching with great interest and if we do (by a miracle) leave, then the whole house of cards will follow.


Which kinda begs the question, if it's that crap, should it really exist in its present form, we'll see in 8 days or so.

[Osem]

If the EU were viable I'd be concerned about leaving but it isn't so I'm not. I am sad it's got to this point however, due in no small measure to the egos and arrogance of the Eurocrats whose chief attribute seems to be seeing success in failure.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

wow that post is so small minded and sounds like something a UKIPer would say

The only reason Britain is deteriating is because of our Government. The EU at least keeps them from 100% destroying us.

Also we have British rights, backed up by the EU. We have workers rights the EU improved them.

I have a good job now but went through a couple of bad years recently and got all the help I needed. I work in a place that employs British people, Irish people, Polish people, Indian People, Spanish people French people who all live here and are entitled to have jobs to earn money for them and their families.

You make it sound like they shouldn't work and should all be sent home so British folk can have the jobs and social housing. That is so so wrong.

We should be proud as Brits that we are a welcoming multi cultural society who welcomes others when they have no one to turn to and no where else to go. A place where people should feel happy.

Next you'll be saying the earth is flat.

Also tin hat time. Vote using the wax pencils they give you. They can't be erased and should your ballot paper get wet the vote will still be there unlike a black pen!

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No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

Well, surprise, surprise. Why do you assume I am a UKiper and why would that be an issue? I only want, in my personal opinion, what I think is best for Britain. You have your say, I have mine.

You obviously have not read the whole thread, Britain will not crumble. The leave campaign don't want to build a wall and stop migration completely. Why don't remain campaigners understand the word CONTROL. Should we use the word MANAGE? Will this make it easier to understand?

I am pleased you had all the help you needed, it is a shame there is such a division in who is helped and who isn't.You were one of the lucky ones. If Europe is so good for our country, why are people experiencing the issues they do. If Europe are big on human rights and they want to protect us, why don't they step in and help the people who are being treated despicably by this government. They cannot just pick and choose. What do they really do in all honesty. They do what benefits them best! See one of the many stories below:

A grandad who had just found out his benefits were being stopped shot himself dead – after telling friends he was “unable to cope”.

Shaun Pilkington, 58, was sent a letter saying he was to lose his *Employment and Support *Allowance, which he got after a long-term illness.

He was told he would have to be reassessed and needed to prove he was eligible. But as the hearing approached, friends said Shaun, a licensed gamekeeper, became discouraged.

Days later he called police and said he was about to kill himself. They found him dead at his flat.

A neighbour said: “There were armed police everywhere. Sadly he’d gone through with his threat.

“It is a tragedy. He was upset because he got a letter saying his ESA was being stopped.

“He was pretty down about it and said he was finding it hard to cope with the decision. He was a lovely man. It is not fair what the Government is doing.”

Well-wishers left floral tributes and cans of Stella outside Shaun’s home in Beighton, Sheffield.

The neighbour added: “It all got on top of him – having no money for Christmas and being warned he’d lose his benefits.

“It’s wrong what they’re doing, targeting people on benefits. We haven’t got a lot of money but the Government seems intent on cutting it.”

As to your comment 'You make it sound like they shouldn't work and should all be sent home so British folk can have the jobs and social housing. That is so so wrong' please direct me to a sentence I have actually said this? This is absolutely your opinion and an incorrect opinion at that.

I have worked with many nationalities throughout my career, I have provided guidance and advice on the visa Tier system. I fully believe in multi-culturism. I also believe that we should allow the most skilled people to Britain to work. We need the best in academia, the medical profession, areas where there are skill shortages, unskilled workers to meet economic demands but we need to check we are allowing good, decent, hard working people into our country.

Obviously you are not aware that some countries do not hold criminal record information in the way that the UK does. For instance, in the UK, someone who has committed 2 crimes now matter how minor will always have these detailed on an enhanced records check if they wish to work will children or vulnerable adults as the record is never spent (even if this relates to a silly period as a young adult yet, in Spain for example, when a record is expunged after a certain period, information is not available if a UK DBS check is requested. This person can work with vulnerable adults and children yet may be unsuitable. Europe allows these laws which benefit some people in the EU who have a criminal record yet they are not interested in the lives of those UK citizens who are penalised all their life for a mistake or two! Does Europe consider the human rights of UK ex-offenders? Would you be happy for an unsuitable person to care for your parents or look after your children because they cannot be properly vetted, or they come from a country where criminal record information is not held?

There should not just be a free for all so that we don't know who we are opening our borders to. The infrastructure in certain cities will collapse in time. I don't have any issues with race, age, sexuality, religion etc. I am for helping refugees who genuinely need our help. I do have an issue with overcrowding, limitation of services, allowing terrorists and criminals free access into our country, supposed refugees who don't register in the first country they arrive in, wages being pushed down, lack of jobs in areas for British born citizens due to economic migrant excess in certain areas. Why should I not expect this, my grandfather fought in the war, paid taxes, my parents paid taxes, I paid taxes - surely I should have a right to live in a place I feel happy too - why should I not have the same consideration given to newcomers to our country, I have the interests of Britain at heart. I want Britain to foremost retain our sovereignty and at the same time allow multi-culturism to thrive.

Please let me know which company you work with, perhaps I could submit my CV.

.. and in response to your comment that I will be saying the earth is flat, you simply destroyed any credibility you had!

Additionally, I will use both pen and pencil to register my vote, better to be safe than sorry.

Please remember, it is people like my husband who fight for the rights of many different nationalities and who keep Britain safe whilst putting their own lives at risk!

Have a lovely day!

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

While I can stand and say yeah I agree even the brexit side have been a bit hit and miss but nowhere near as much as the remain side.

The lengths they have gone to to ensure it goes their way. I'm waiting for the men in black to turn up and make sure I vote their way or no way.

I'm surprised they haven't mentioned bringing the death penalty back for those voting out for treason's against their country. They might be saving that one for last eh?

Did you actually read the quote to which I was referring?

Originally Posted by Stephen
No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Yes it is easier to read and although I'm voting out immigration is not high on my list of reasons even though many of my family are builders and have been hit very hard by foreign builders coming to the uk. For me immigration is a double edged sword as perception is different depending where you live, live in Dover and your perception will be markedly different to someone living in Kensington immigration is not a universal issue. I'm not saying it isn't important and we do need to address it but I would like leave to concentrate on the sovereignty issue as I think that strikes a chord with most people.

As to lousy government there is no good news whether we vote to leave or remain because it will be the same shower in the next election as the last and with labour having the political tactical skill of a lemming your getting at best a Tory coalition if not total Tory government out of the next general election. We have a lot of work ahead of us in the uk not least repairing the damage done by this bunch of cretins during the referendum.

We can always hope for change!! Yes, I agree with your points, it is dependent upon where you live. I am all for sovereignty but I am also for managed immigration - they both go hand in hand. One example of this would be Luton, there is no such thing as British Sovereignty there. Watch the Stacy Dooley interview and you will understand why I have concerns...

Good luck with your business, I wish you every success in retaining its viability to take care of your family.

You said you couldn't get a job in Peterborough - what is your profession/trade/skill set?

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If it's so amazing why does such a sizeable number seem so determined to "take it back"

I cannot speak for them as I cannot speak for the opinions of others in this forum. Obviously, they have similar issues they feel strongly about and they have the freedom to debate. It is MY opinion that America is a wonderful place.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Its not that its unstable but if we leave then other may follow.

If that is the case then it is unstable.

Originally Posted by jackjone

I cannot speak for them as I cannot speak for the opinions of others in this forum. Obviously, they have similar issues they feel strongly about and they have the freedom to debate. It is MY opinion that America is a wonderful place.

Like most countries, the USA has good places and bad places, and some wonderful places - I have visited, or worked in, about 27 of the States.

An example of a wonderful place would be Provincetown, Massachussetts, where everyone I met was friendly, helpful, and tolerant - an awful place was Columbia, South Carolina, where my son spent a year at University; everyone there was polite, friendly, respectful - unless you weren't white...

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Like most countries, the USA has good places and bad places, and some wonderful places - I have visited, or worked in, about 27 of the States.

An example of a wonderful place would be Provincetown, Massachussetts, where everyone I met was friendly, helpful, and tolerant - an awful place was Columbia, South Carolina, where my son spent a year at University; everyone there was polite, friendly, respectful - unless you weren't white...

There are so many lovely people as you pointed out. There are good and bad everywhere. I hope your son enjoyed his year at University and it was a fantastic experience for him.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by jackjone

Well, surprise, surprise. Why do you assume I am a UKiper and why would that be an issue?

snip......

Please let me know which company you work with, perhaps I could submit my CV.

.. and in response to your comment that I will be saying the earth is flat, you simply destroyed any credibility you had!

Additionally, I will use both pen and pencil to register my vote, better to be safe than sorry.

Please remember, it is people like my husband who fight for the rights of many different nationalities and who keep Britain safe whilst putting their own lives at risk!

Have a lovely day!

I nver said you were but what you were saying made you sound like one.

Also I am not revealing who I work for but I will say the company supports remain.

Using anything other than the officially provided pencils is weird. Seems to have been a recent thing that people think those can be erased and votes changed, people are paranoid for no reason.

I do know a lot about industry and have grown up around trade unions and also supporting labour my whole life. My father worked for a few different ones and was pretty high up in them.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I nver said you were but what you were saying made you sound like one.

Also I am not revealing who I work for but I will say the company supports remain.

Using anything other than the officially provided pencils is weird. Seems to have been a recent thing that people think those can be erased and votes changed, people are paranoid for no reason.

I do know a lot about industry and have grown up around trade unions and also supporting labour my whole life. My father worked for a few different ones and was pretty high up in them.

I don't think it did make me sound like 'one' and I will continue to reiterate this point. You may like to know that my mother was one of the first in her area to help newly relocated asian immigrants settle and adapt into their new culture! This was even at the expense of losing the respect of neighbours due to racism and fear of immigration in the early days.

I have no interest in whether your company supports remain or not, they again have their choice. Their decision will be based on finance and success (as it is with with most unless money isn't their main priority). I wonder if your company would still vote remain if they were to become more successful (and wealthier) if they voted leave!

I am pleased to hear that your father had a successful career, I am happy for you and your family. You have grown up around trade unions and know a lot about industry and you have always voted labour. My life experiences are vast, many difficult, therefore I am well qualified to comment on many of the issues people face today. We have a failing government and a failing country.

Take the time to read the attached link and if you don't have any sympathy, then we really are at a loss! Things are only going to get worse. Again, did the EU consider the human rights of these people?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ating-families

... and as for the pencils, it isn't weird, it's a personal choice! I do not trust anything the government says or does. Read about one failing after another, one lie after another. This is fact. In large letters - FACT!

You say people are paranoid for no reason. Tell all of these people who have been lied to, let down, been driven to despair and who are VOTING OUT in the hope of a better life that they are 'paranoid'.

"Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them."
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CHANGE IS NEEDED!

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

While I can stand and say yeah I agree even the brexit side have been a bit hit and miss but nowhere near as much as the remain side.

The lengths they have gone to to ensure it goes their way. I'm waiting for the men in black to turn up and make sure I vote their way or no way.

I'm surprised they haven't mentioned bringing the death penalty back for those voting out for treason's against their country. They might be saving that one for last eh?

[Stephen]

So let me get this straight. You say the UK government are useless and can't manage the country and lie to us all the time....

Yet you are willing to vote and give them more control?

Yeah cause that makes sense.