Brexit and our government - a personal story

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Stephen

From what I can read of that Jobs and foreigners seem to be your only issues?

I personally don't want the UK Government and the Tories having free reign to do what they want! They could easily undo a lot of good things the EU has done for us in regards to environmental issues and rights for workers and a whole host of other things.

I know in Scotland it is being reported unemployment is down to its lowest for a while so foreign workers really can't be taking all the jobs here.

Thats why I am voting remain.

A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

Thanks to labour choosing corbyn for leader one month, one year or the rest of the term your going to get a Tory government but out of the EU they might have to tone down their silliness a bit.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

From what I can read of that Jobs and foreigners seem to be your only issues?

I personally don't want the UK Government and the Tories having free reign to do what they want! They could easily undo a lot of good things the EU has done for us in regards to environmental issues and rights for workers and a whole host of other things.

I know in Scotland it is being reported unemployment is down to its lowest for a while so foreign workers really can't be taking all the jobs here.

Thats why I am voting remain.

.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Well said JackJone.

The biggest trouble with this forum, is that there are loads of Cameron and Osborne Lovers. That don't like people having a go.
It made me laugh when Puppet Osborne said that if we leave, the poorer will get poorer. And that he will have to rip to pieces the budgets, to close the gap in the economy.

Not being funny, but what has Cameron and Osborne been doing since they came to power. Been ripping the welfare state to bits, thousands of people made redundant due to cuts to benefits etc etc.

This Tory Government make me sick. And the good thing is that after the election, we will go to the country, for a new PM. As Cameron wont survive.

I want out, so we can take this country back. Close our Borders. And go to the Australian system.

To me IF you don't have a job, You cannot come in

I totally agree with you. I have had to deal with the DWP over the last few months and I am close to breaking point!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes, we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Leaving won't get rid of the Tories and closing our borders is really stupid.

Yeah lets be this little tiny Island all alone with a great big fence around it! No thanks!

Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Well said JackJone.

The biggest trouble with this forum, is that there are loads of Cameron and Osborne Lovers. That don't like people having a go.
It made me laugh when Puppet Osborne said that if we leave, the poorer will get poorer. And that he will have to rip to pieces the budgets, to close the gap in the economy.

Not being funny, but what has Cameron and Osborne been doing since they came to power. Been ripping the welfare state to bits, thousands of people made redundant due to cuts to benefits etc etc.

This Tory Government make me sick. And the good thing is that after the election, we will go to the country, for a new PM. As Cameron wont survive.

I want out, so we can take this country back. Close our Borders. And go to the Australian system.

To me IF you don't have a job, You cannot come in

You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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Originally Posted by jackjone

.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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I totally agree with you. I have a personal experience of a family member with a mental illness being driven to the point of no return by the Department of Work and Pensions. He was so stressed and I am sure this contributed to him having a heart attack and passing away at 54 years old!!i I have had to deal with them over the last few months and I am close to having a breakdown myself!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!

That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be no matter who is in power! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jackjone

???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

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???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be no matter who is in power! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

If it's so amazing why does such a sizeable number seem so determined to "take it back"

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by jackjone

.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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I totally agree with you. I have had to deal with the DWP over the last few months and I am close to breaking point!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes, we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!

wow that post is so small minded and sounds like something a UKIPer would say

The only reason Britain is deteriating is because of our Government. The EU at least keeps them from 100% destroying us.

Also we have British rights, backed up by the EU. We have workers rights the EU improved them.

I have a good job now but went through a couple of bad years recently and got all the help I needed. I work in a place that employs British people, Irish people, Polish people, Indian People, Spanish people French people who all live here and are entitled to have jobs to earn money for them and their families.

You make it sound like they shouldn't work and should all be sent home so British folk can have the jobs and social housing. That is so so wrong.

We should be proud as Brits that we are a welcoming multi cultural society who welcomes others when they have no one to turn to and no where else to go. A place where people should feel happy.

Next you'll be saying the earth is flat.

Also tin hat time. Vote using the wax pencils they give you. They can't be erased and should your ballot paper get wet the vote will still be there unlike a black pen!

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jackjone

I have my political hat on today! For those you you who cannot make your mind up, perhaps a personal experience might help!!

In response to a comment on another posting and Nigel Farage's visit to Peterborough. This is how I feel about the remain campaign and our government. Vote LEAVE

I moved to Peterborough with my military spouse. I am aged over 50, I have never had an issue with gaining employment in any other area I have lived. I have worked within many highly respected institutions and I cannot find a job here. I was entitled to 6 months jobseekers allowance based on my NI contributions and when this ceased, it was simply a case of you are on your own! It was the most disgusting, demoralising process I have ever had to go through, I can understand why people are so frustrated. I am not entitled to any benefits, training/courses, job assistance, council tax relief etc. The reason for this is because my husband earns over the income threshold. I have paid my taxes for 35 years and have never been unemployed until I moved to Peterborough. My husband has to pay for my prescriptions, dental, job hunting expenses, etc. need I go on.

You're not on your own, you have a husband.

You know, for richer for poorer

Benefits should be a last resort safety net, your husband obviously earns enough to cover you while you're job hunting.

Good luck and I hope you find work soon.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Leaving won't get rid of the Tories and closing our borders is really stupid.

Yeah lets be this little tiny Island all alone with a great big fence around it! No thanks!

Really? Come on. Nobody is suggesting closing our borders. Controlling immigration isn't closing anything. We will still need to and want to accept migrants who fit the skill shortages we have.

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Stephen

No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

Well said

The most sensible comment I've read in any of the EU Referendum threads on these pages!

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by dave6x

Well said

The most sensible comment I've read in any of the EU Referendum threads on these pages!

Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

While I can stand and say yeah I agree even the brexit side have been a bit hit and miss but nowhere near as much as the remain side.

The lengths they have gone to to ensure it goes their way. I'm waiting for the men in black to turn up and make sure I vote their way or no way.

I'm surprised they haven't mentioned bringing the death penalty back for those voting out for treason's against their country. They might be saving that one for last eh?

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You're not on your own, you have a husband.

You know, for richer for poorer

Benefits should be a last resort safety net, your husband obviously earns enough to cover you while you're job hunting.

Good luck and I hope you find work soon.

Thank you, I was just waiting in this comment and I am glad you brought this up! I have paid into the system for 35 years and have always been INDEPENDENT. My husband should NOT have to keep me when there are families who are better off than we are on benefits - those who have NOT contributed. You obviously don't understand. You try paying (from one salary) a mortgage for your permanent home (which elderly parents on a limited pension use as they could NOT get social housing) and upkeep costs, rent and bills for your military home, all expenses relating to dental/medical, interview expenses, education costs for paid courses to aid my husband's career for when he leaves the military, I could go on yet again. What about feminine products? For gods sake give me some dignity!!! You say my husband obviously earns enough to keep me, only your net pay is considered not the pay you are left to live on!

I will reiterate, if it wasn't for the sad state of affairs in Peterborough job wise then perhaps I could get a job which is needed to at least live a little better. I did not choose to live here, my husband was sent here! Have you visited Peterborough? Perhaps you should give up your job, choose to live in an area outside Peterborough where there is a limited bus service (I cannot drive due to sight issues), give up your car, pay extortionate travel costs to try and get to a minimum wage job (if you can get one) and support your family. It's easy to talk the talk but much harder to walk the walk.

In saying this, I should also point out, we can no longer afford a social life, none of us drink or smoke either. My husband gives his life for Queen and Country - for people like you and you believe his standard of living should suffer because of a sentence used for solemnising the act of marriage! I am not religious, these were not my vows and my husband did not sign a contract.

It is a shame, if I was obese, a single mother who popped kids out conveyor belt style, a drug addict or an alcoholic, I would get assistance - but we need to consider their human rights! Such a shame I cannot afford to stock my cupboards up enough to become obese, I could not afford cigarettes, drugs or alcohol even if I wanted and believe me, there are many days when a little something would help me get through the day. Watch Panorama, Benefits Britain etc. It is a sad state of affairs. Benefits should be a last resort safety net you say, watch these programmes, watch these people boasting that they are better off not working whilst their can of beer is sitting at the side of their couch, they are puffing on a cigarette and their cannabis is hidden in some tin away from the camera. Wow, wouldn't this be great as a last resort safety net. Bring it on...

It is the hard working lower middle class people in Britain who suffer nowadays. I am not an exception, this is the norm for many people. You have obviously not experienced it and I hope you don't.

I am stuck in this hell hole for another 7 months and this is also a reason which makes gaining employment difficult - the company has to accept the burden of additional recruitment costs to recruit when the spouse has to relocate with his/her partner. It is a well known fact that military spouses are in an area for a fixed period. What chance do I have now? I do apologise to anyone living in this area for referring to Peterborough as a hell hole, if it is your home and you love it, I am happy for you. Many Peterborough residents have complained that their city is no longer recognisable due to the influx of economic migrants - and again, why should they suffer!

Yes, I want out of Britain and I would like a new government. ... but unfortunately, you cannot always get what you want!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

Stephen merely said people should vote, he didn't specify which side they should vote for. You appear to be telling Stephen that his comment is not sensible because he said he would vote Remain.

Regardless of how people vote, I personally agree. They should vote.

While I can stand and say yeah I agree even the brexit side have been a bit hit and miss but nowhere near as much as the remain side.

A bit hit and miss? The leave campaign promise that leaving the EU would save around £20bn a year (based on £395m a week). Add up the costs of all the things they've promised to spend that £10bn a year on (ignoring the fact that we have no guarantees they will spend anything). The cost is nearer £100bn. They've also glossed over the fact that they don't know what trade (and other deals) we will get when our current deals will expire, and that we don't know the costs involved. They've also not mentioned the costs involved in things they've promised (like better border control).

Both campaigns have used scare stories. Both have lied.

The lengths they have gone to to ensure it goes their way. I'm waiting for the men in black to turn up and make sure I vote their way or no way.

I'm surprised they haven't mentioned bringing the death penalty back for those voting out for treason's against their country. They might be saving that one for last eh?

I doubt it.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

I'm on Remain's side but Leaving might well be a short term way to remove the Tories for now. I can't see this government going on for 4 more years, they hate each other. Also although we don't vote for the PM I am unconvinced that changing leader just one year in, ahead of a major upheaval of the nation, would be acceptable to the public. Cameron was part of the deal with the electorate.

This would require Corbyn to get his act together though. He would need to get the Remain Tories to side with him and the SNP's to force a vote of no confidence in the new post Brexit Boris government. Is this likely?